BKLFox Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August As its a loan what personal terms warrent multiple rounds of talks with LCFC & player, he can't re-negotiate his wage we either pay his current wages or BL do so what else warrents days of discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooflip Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 3 minutes ago, BKLFox said: As its a loan what personal terms warrent multiple rounds of talks with LCFC & player, he can't re-negotiate his wage we either pay his current wages or BL do so what else warrents days of discussion? It’s a loan with an obligation to buy. Same as with Fatawu. This means all the details around the future transfer will need to be sorted now - his full time contract that would begin in July next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKLFox Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 2 minutes ago, dooflip said: It’s a loan with an obligation to buy. Same as with Fatawu. This means all the details around the future transfer will need to be sorted now - his full time contract that would begin in July next year. ok fair enough just assumed that would all be dealt with at the end of a season so neither side sell themselves short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooflip Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 3 minutes ago, BKLFox said: ok fair enough just assumed that would all be dealt with at the end of a season so neither side sell themselves short. It can’t be with a deal like this because what if the player decides he doesn’t want any to join, or then prices the club out of a move in terms of salary etc? Likewise, the club could have changed their mind on the player and deliberately low ball so he doesn’t accept. That then leaves the selling club stuck with a player someone had agreed to buy. So it all gets agreed before hand. Obligation to buy means the permanent purchase goes through on completion of the loan and meeting of any criteria (survival in this case), it’s already agreed and set to go. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August I k on now it’s sensible but I think it’s genuinely bad business to have the obligation connected to premier league survival. Im so sure we’d make a profit on this guy… now he’s going to smash it and we aren’t going to be able to get him because we go down anyway. It’ll be a lookman situation all over again. My only hope is that there is still an option if we want to pay it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August Any news from Romano? Thought this would have be done and dusted by now. Has Rudkin left his Bic at home?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: I k on now it’s sensible but I think it’s genuinely bad business to have the obligation connected to premier league survival. Im so sure we’d make a profit on this guy… now he’s going to smash it and we aren’t going to be able to get him because we go down anyway. It’ll be a lookman situation all over again. My only hope is that there is still an option if we want to pay it Maybe he doesn't want to come if we don't stay up? Then he'd flat out reject us anyway if the deal now was a permanent transfer rather than a loan? The only way players of this calibre and potential are going to come here is on a loan with purchase options should we stay up (which is good business if he does smash it because his goals could potentially be the difference and he's our player) or we pay them ridiculous wages and find ourselves in a deeper mess than we are already. How is any part of this deal "bad business"? We can't afford him outright and still strengthen other areas, there's no guarantee that he's going to smash it, he's hardly set the world in fire and with that there's no guarantee we're going to make a profit on him. Daka was sure fire hit, as was Soumare, what makes this guy any different? There's always an "option" on any player, if a club wants them, they have the "option" to bid for him. If we go down and he's enjoyed his time here, if he's happy to play in the championship and if we can afford him, there's no reason why we can't still buy him at the end of the season. Edited 13 August by Jimbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jimbo said: Maybe he doesn't want to come if we don't stay up? Then he'd flat out reject us anyway if the deal now was a permanent transfer rather than a loan? The only way players of this calibre and potential are going to come here is on a loan with purchase options should we stay up (which is good business if he does smash it because his goals could potentially be the difference and he's our player) or we pay them ridiculous wages and find ourselves in a deeper mess than we are already. How is any part of this deal "bad business"? We can't afford him outright and still strengthen other areas, there's no guarantee that he's going to smash it, he's hardly set the world in fire and with that there's no guarantee we're going to make a profit on him. Daka was sure fire hit, as was Soumare, what makes this guy any different? There's always an "option" on any player, if a club wants them, they have the "option" to bid for him. If we go down and he's enjoyed his time here, if he's happy to play in the championship and if we can afford him, there's no reason why we can't still buy him at the end of the season. Yeah it might be right, i’m not knocking the club for it. Just would personally prefer it to be permanent, as i see him being a valuable asset. we could potentially just have a release clause in his contract if we go down. One that just makes us a little money and pays for a replacement in the championship Edited 13 August by Lambert09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooflip Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: Yeah it might be right, i’m not knocking the club for it. Just would personally prefer it to be permanent, as i see him being a valuable asset. we could potentially just have a release clause in his contract if we go down. One that just makes us a little money and pays for a replacement in the championship But we can’t afford to buy all the players we need mate. That’s why we are doing these types of deals. Its essentially transfer window Tetris. And as mentioned, why would he want to commit to 5 years when it’s likely the second year and maybe more will be in the championship? Also mentioned above is that we probably wouldn’t want the financial commitment of having him in the championship. We have struggled with loads of players on inflated wages without PL income, hopefully we have learned our lesson. He could be an absolute flop and nobody will want him, be able to pay his wages, or cover our outlay. Edited 13 August by dooflip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen fox Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August (edited) 21 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Any news from Romano? Thought this would have be done and dusted by now. Has Rudkin left his Bic at home?? Nah rudders is still in Greece Edited 13 August by Bergen fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 52 minutes ago, BKLFox said: As its a loan what personal terms warrent multiple rounds of talks with LCFC & player, he can't re-negotiate his wage we either pay his current wages or BL do so what else warrents days of discussion? Maybe the terms of his contract with us after the loan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 22 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Any news from Romano? Thought this would have be done and dusted by now. Has Rudkin left his Bic at home?? It takes us weeks to complete transfers. This’ll still be ongoing by Friday if it doesn’t fall through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 24 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Any news from Romano? Thought this would have be done and dusted by now. Has Rudkin left his Bic at home?? Fees agreed between clubs, it's now up to us to agree the deal with Hlozek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 6 minutes ago, dooflip said: But we can’t afford to buy all the players we need mate. That’s why we are doing these types of deals. Its essentially transfer window Tetris. And as mentioned, why would he want to commit to 5 years when it’s likely the second year and maybe more will be in the championship? Also mentioned above is that we probably wouldn’t want the financial commitment of having him in the championship. We have struggled with loads of players on inflated wages without PL income, hopefully we have learned our lesson. He could be an absolute flop and nobody will want him, be able to pay his wages, or cover our outlay. But in what scenario are we spending the money? we obviously had something to spend as we significantly bid for soule… so we know we have a little kitty for one player. if it’s not him and it’s not zaha…. then are we using it on someone else? or is all of this going on loan fees now. Id be fuming if our budget goes on a left back. I don’t think a newly promoted club spending 40m total is that risky… it’s just not. But to get back on the right path as a club we need to buy players, improve them and sell for profit, that’s our model. We are just bleeding assets this way and likely going on an embargo in the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxFossil Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 25 minutes ago, Bergen fox said: Nah rudders is still in Greece Was seen in Curry's trying to buy Fax machine paper for a 1982 IBM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 32 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Fees agreed between clubs, it's now up to us to agree the deal with Hlozek. that’s a perfect deal for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 1 hour ago, mozartfox said: Any news from Romano? Thought this would have be done and dusted by now. Has Rudkin left his Bic at home?? Might have some more information once is pop tarts have finished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey123 Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 2 minutes ago, MPH said: that’s a perfect deal for us! Only we could balls this up now. We definitely don’t have time to be driving a hard bargain and losing out on the player over a few quid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 3 minutes ago, Clarkey123 said: Only we could balls this up now. We definitely don’t have time to be driving a hard bargain and losing out on the player over a few quid. Perhaps he’s having second thoughts as it’s not a great career move to join a club that is a favourite for relegation. His value drops and so would his reputation. A professional footballer must put his career first, club second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiffToff88 Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August (edited) 2 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said: Perhaps he’s having second thoughts as it’s not a great career move to join a club that is a favourite for relegation. His value drops and so would his reputation. A professional footballer must put his career first, club second. Didn't do Barnes, Madison or KDH any harm getting relegated with us. We are a proven stepping stone club for young players. They know if they come here and perform well, they're going to get a bigger move 12-24 months down the line Edited 13 August by TiffToff88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooflip Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 1 hour ago, Lambert09 said: But in what scenario are we spending the money? we obviously had something to spend as we significantly bid for soule… so we know we have a little kitty for one player. if it’s not him and it’s not zaha…. then are we using it on someone else? or is all of this going on loan fees now. Id be fuming if our budget goes on a left back. I don’t think a newly promoted club spending 40m total is that risky… it’s just not. But to get back on the right path as a club we need to buy players, improve them and sell for profit, that’s our model. We are just bleeding assets this way and likely going on an embargo in the championship The Greek striker - bid of around 20m. We are on an embargo in the championship regardless mate because of breaching and rubbing them up the wrong way last year. As soon as we go back there, they’ll have our Crown Jewels for earrings. We don’t know the extent of the FFP stuff. on the face of it 40m seems reasonable, but when you factor in that we had to sell our best player for below his value just to meet last years targets, 40m is a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walshy5 Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August Waiting for the "the deal has hit a snag" tweet. 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August If he sees Ayew is coming in he may do a U-Turn…..and who could blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox 4 Life Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August Surely we can't **** this up, the wages will only kick in once we know we stay up so offer him something half decent and he will sign. Low ball him and why should he. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 13 August Share Posted 13 August 3 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said: Surely we can't **** this up, the wages will only kick in once we know we stay up so offer him something half decent and he will sign. Low ball him and why should he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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