1-2 Fulham, A Post Match Thread

[coolhandfox]

4 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Yeah it is good if they believe that but there was very little in that 2nd half performance that makes me think that was actually the case

Other than a brain fart by Justin we probably get something.

 

We need a couple of quality players at 9 and 10.

[AKCJ]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

My point was that the second half to me suggests that certainly was not the case

 

That was not a team that was confident in what they were doing anywhere on the pitch

Would you not think that Fulham play a part in that?

[CloudFox]

3 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Lack of quality. Fulham have better players and a Manager and system they know well. 
This season is going to be extremely tough, no matter who is the Manager. 

He has 10 games or so to get us going, or he will be gone. 

I'd actually be happier if we could be confident that was the case. I don't think Top or Rudkin will do that if the Rodgers fiasco is anything to go by.

 

2 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Poor Steve, struggled to answer the Ricardo question 

What was he asked, and what did he say?

[mozartfox]

Cooper’s post match interview on Radio Leicester was one of the most bizarre I have heard in many years.  Quite worrying actually.  Still trying to understand what he meant with those comments on Ricky🤔

[Pliskin]

It’s all well and good sat there calling angry fans melts, but there were a lot of very worrying signs in that game. 
 

As I’ve said, you don’t mind losing providing there’s some positives to take from the game, today there was nothing. Fulham started well, but after they scored they really fell off, and second half they played the game at walking pace, now if that was a tactical decision from Silva it was a good call, because we were incapable of offering any kind of challenge there today. 
 

There really was no tactical plan at all, the first half we were so scrappy, couldn’t string passes together and just kept lashing the ball downfield. Second half, no surprise Fulham came out playing a slower tempo and we became more even, but we never once pushed, never once showed initiative. 
 

The starting line up was wrong, and you could just tell, Fulham play with advancing fullbacks, and like to press hard, Mavadidi should have started in my opinion to at least give us that option. 
 

So many poor decisions from Cooper today, from the tactics to the substitutions is was just plain diabolical. This team is better than this, and it’s one thing criticising some fans for being negative, and then flippantly suggesting we’re just shit and this was expected….. but this was largely a team, that almost immediately adapted a very intricate and specific style of football, and even on bad days made it work….. at the moment there’s no style, no identity, and no real evidence of tactical plans……. Cooper has no idea what he’s doing here, he can’t pick up where Enzo left off and it’s horribly clear. 
 

It was unfortunate that our manager walked out on us, but it seems we had no plan besides Potter, and when that fell though took a punt on Cooper. He's out of his depth, and it’s painfully obvious he is. It was a very worrying game today, you wouldn’t mind if you played well and lost two two decent goals, but neither team played particularly well, and we conceded two shocking goals, and didn’t really show much in terms of a tactical plan. 
 

It’s my opinion that Cooper is plain and simply a bad fit for the club, and isn’t going to work 

Edited 24 August by Pliskin

[Qwerty]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Poor Steve, struggled to answer the Ricardo question 

What did he say?

[lcfc_forever]

There needs to be a bit of acceptance that we’re a newly promoted side and will take a little bit of time to adjust - the standards are simply so much higher and the sides we’re playing are far more streetwise at this level. 
 

The positives are the defensive compactness,  resilience and hard work, they kept going. And set pieces are so far looking so much better, especially defensively. 
 

But the big issues are press resistance and lack of creativity. Fulham bullied us in midfield, and Ndidi in particular struggled with their press. In the 2nd half, Ndidi seemed higher up the pitch but it was Winks who then struggled against their press - he had a poor second half and couldn’t get us up the pitch. So I can see why we’ve signed Skipp to help us get through the press - Fulham’s defence wasn’t all that and we got in some good situations when we got through the midfield but then lacked composure and creativity in the final third. 
 

A lot of people are criticising Justin’s selection but he played well against Spurs and his pace was important against Traore and Iwobi so understand why he started. That said he made two big errors, and got caught upfield leaving Vestergaard exposed. 
 

Personally, I don’t see what Kristiansen as an attacking LB gives us over and above Ricardo in an inverted role when we’re struggling to break through the press, and he’s one of the best at getting through it. Also, he gives us much need composure. He surely has to come in for one of the fullbacks. 

Edited 24 August by lcfc_forever

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, CloudFox said:

I'd actually be happier if we could be confident that was the case. I don't think Top or Rudkin will do that if the Rodgers fiasco is anything to go by.

 

What was he asked, and what did he say?

 

[Clarkey123]

If Reid and Kristiansen start the next game then he clearly doesn’t have a clue

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's not knee jerk to say he's clearly out of his depth, should never have been given the job and we're just wasting time because footballing decorum is to give a manager "time."

 

There's no evidence at all of him having a functional plan and communicating it to the players. 

 

Remember when we came up with Pearson and we were struggling for points after the initial flury of excitement around the United game? 

 

We still looked like there was a plan, we were in games, we were often unlucky. It took deep in to the losing run for Pearson to lose the plot with that four defensive midfielder diamond away at Newcastle. 

 

This doesn't look like "let him cook" at all does it. You can't watch this and go "I see what he's trying to do, when it clicks we'll be great."

 

It just looks like a manager that absolutely stumbled in to premier league management with a freak purple patch and is now out of his depth. Especially given that he's being asked to do something different here to Forest. Here he's being asked to back up all of his talk of playing progressive, possession based, attacking football. 

 

In football, it's always frowned upon to sack a manager without time served, substitute a player before half time, generally make any early change. But statistically, the earlier you make changes the better. 

 

I really hope we don't throw this season away out of politeness. **** sunk cost, just reverse the mistake and go approach a proper manager. **** it, Potter must have given up on England now. I'll have him third time lucky over this mess. 

 

Have to say even as a staunch Pearson supporter, there was no grand tactical plan IMO. He seemed to be far more aligned with what Cooper is doing (currently), players with the right mentality, hard work, team spirit etc. 

 

He was pigheaded in his use of Mahrez, Vardy, Albrighton at times. We never got battered in scoreline but there were plenty of games like today. 
 

What we don’t have is the incredible scouting setup and squad building Walsh created around him. 

Edited 24 August by Babylon

[Rossiter]

There should be a concerted effort to relegate fulham, bournemouth and Brentford. 

[Pita]

If we play against a mid table team like that. What are the big teams going to do to us 

[David Hankey]

Bearing in mind this league is probably one of the hardest to win a game when you go a goal behind, so why do we do it?!!

[KFS]

2 minutes ago, Rossiter said:

There should be a concerted effort to relegate fulham, bournemouth and Brentford. 

Agreed. Shit football clubs that should be nowhere near the premium of football leagues. 

[Bordersfox]

4 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

 

'We'll see who he is this season'

 

How very fvcking dare you Steve.  

[Matt]

Just now, Pita said:

If we play against a mid table team like that. What are the big teams going to do to us 

I mean we literally drew against Tottenham less than a week ago.

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

 

My assessment of that is, he sees Justin and Ricardo competing for the RB spot, but Justin has been working harder and more impressive in training. 
Of course, we know that overall, Ricardo is the better player, so I do expect that Cooper will try Ricardo there sooner rather than later. Then, it is up to Riccy to  hold down that place, and also show why so many of us think he should be starting. 
I don't think this is the biggest issue Cooper is facing. He needs to sign more players and then fine tune the team as best as he can.

[AKCJ]

6 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Cooper’s post match interview on Radio Leicester was one of the most bizarre I have heard in many years.  Quite worrying actually.  Still trying to understand what he meant with those comments on Ricky🤔

He didn't want to point out that Ricardo isn't his first choice at the moment and stumbled on wording it in a friendly way.

 

 

[Pliskin]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Have to say even as a staunch Pearson supporter, there was no grand tactical plan IMO. He seemed to be far more aligned with what Cooper is doing (currently), players with the right mentality, hard work, team spirit etc. 

 

He was pigheaded in his use of Mahrez, Vardy, Albrighton at times. We never got battered in shoreline but there were plenty of games like today. 
 

What we don’t have is the incredible scouting setup and squad building Walsh created around him. 

You’re not wrong. Cooper and Pearson aren’t dissimilar in their approach on the pitch. But for me it’s about the team if that’s the case, and did Cooper just have a good team around him at Forest? I don’t believe all of that team are here are they? 
 

It just doesn’t work for me, Cooper already sounds like he’s treading water in his interviews and it’s match day 2. It’s never a good day when you lose a game, and even the opponents didn’t actually play that well. I think Coopers tactics lost us the game, because we just didn’t have enough of a go. 

[Samilktray]

1 minute ago, Bordersfox said:

'We'll see who he is this season'

 

How very fvcking dare you Steve.  

Yeah that did me tbf

[marcymarc666]

28 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

‘Justin very strong’ except for when both Fulham goals were scored. 

Well at least you agree with the rest of it !

[STUHILL]

2 minutes ago, Pita said:

If we play against a mid table team like that. What are the big teams going to do to us 

1-1? I would call Spurs a big team in terms of their squad at the moment. 

We won't play every game like today, we will play worse and lose heavily and play better and beat teams convincingly. 

That is the great but also frustrating thing about this game we love. 

[Manini]

7 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

 

He hasn’t got a scooby do 

[fox_favourite]

Body language speaks a 1000 words, and Im not liking what I'm seeing. 

[Matt]

4 minutes ago, Rossiter said:

There should be a concerted effort to relegate fulham, bournemouth and Brentford. 

 

2 minutes ago, KFS said:

Agreed. Shit football clubs that should be nowhere near the premium of football leagues. 

You do realise most other clubs probably have that opinion of us right?

 

And they succeeded in part of relegating us in 22/23.