Mostafa Mohamed

[South Shire Fox]

13 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Granit Xhaka and Mahmadou Sakho are both Muslims and wore the rainbow arm band as part of the football against homophobia campaign in recent years. Also, not just a Muslim thing is it, Christianity is forbidding of being gay (and it's Christians in places like Uganda and, tbh, the US, who are pushing anti LGBT policies) but your average Christian doesn't boycott the football against homophobia matches. let's not make excuses for this bloke, he's just a twat.

Not sure id class wearing a captains armband as ‘supporting a campaign’. They didnt wear rainbow laces which was an actual campaign by players and Xhaka said Switzerland need to respect the rules of Qatar at the World cup.
 

This guy might be a twat but hes just following the rules of his favourite book

Edited 30 August by South Shire Fox

[Mike Oxlong]

2 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Not sure id class wearing a captains armband as ‘supporting a campaign’. They didnt wear rainbow laces which was an actual campaign by players and Xhaka said Switzerland need to respect the rules of Qatar at the World cup.
 

This guy might be a twat but hes just following the rules of his favourite book

A bit like some of the "guys" who liked a bit of Mein Kampf then ? 

[KFS]

Just now, Mike Oxlong said:

A bit like some of the "guys" who liked a bit of Mein Kampf then ? 

Someone lock this ****ing thread until there’s an update.

 

Jesus Christ.

[5waller5]

19 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

they're the same sentiment expressed with a different number of swear words. I can call him a pathetic troglodyte **** if it helps?

By doing so your reasonable perspective becomes less reasonable.

 

Ultimately the guy is legally allowed to express his views. He’s very religious and his religion disallows the activity that he was asked to show solidarity with. That’s a difficult situation so he asked to not be involved.

 

I’m neither Muslim or gay. I’m actually atheist and tolerant so don’t identify with his views, but I can understand they’re difficult. 

 

I just favour tolerance, perspective and understanding.

The conflict between his religion and a cause that his workplace wanted him to support simply put him in a place where his best option was to step away from it. 

 

Surely we can understand that and not blow it out of proportion? Surely he can be allowed to have a view and still be a footballer? He’s potentially going to play football for LCFC not be your MP

 

 

Edited 30 August by 5waller5

[mozartfox]

2TK will ban all phobias soon, so chill guys and gals and await Dunkin's last minute rabbit out of the hat signing…..

[James_lcfc]

7 minutes ago, JamesfromlondonLCFC said:

...what? Who exactly am I intolerant of in this situation 😂 it is their problem. It's entirely their issue and it has nothing to do with me. 

Not a single poster in here has properly read any of your posts.

 

...or it's full of simpletons. Difficult to say for sure.

[Mike Oxlong]

1 minute ago, KFS said:

Someone lock this ****ing thread until there’s an update.

 

Jesus Christ.

 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, JamesfromlondonLCFC said:

...what? Who exactly am I intolerant of in this situation 😂 it is their problem. It's entirely their issue and it has nothing to do with me. 

In summary, you are intolerant of opposing points of view despite their reasons for them being held, if they do not tally with your own, but what we need is more understanding across all spectrums and certainly not more finger pointing and division.

[South Shire Fox]

4 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

A bit like some of the "guys" who liked a bit of Mein Kampf then ? 

Exactly

[JamesfromlondonLCFC]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

In summary, you are intolerant of opposing points of view despite their reasons for them being held, if they do not tally with your own, but what we need is more understanding across all spectrums and certainly not more finger pointing and division.

Bro you can't just keep saying I'm intolerant without explaining how 😂. I'm not intolerant of islam. They don't have to be gay. They can believe being gay is wrong. Hell they can even refuse to be friends with gay people if they want. That's all personal to them. 

 

But I suspect at this point you're just being a wind up, so I'll leave you to it ❤️

[Scotch]

7 minutes ago, KFS said:

Someone lock this ****ing thread until there’s an update.

 

Jesus Christ.

Well... it's either this or talk about how no-one is coming in and our board are Cvnts. 

[21st Century Fox]

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, JamesfromlondonLCFC said:

Bro you can't just keep saying I'm intolerant without explaining how 😂. I'm not intolerant of islam. They don't have to be gay. They can believe being gay is wrong. Hell they can even refuse to be friends with gay people if they want. That's all personal to them. 

 

But I suspect at this point you're just being a wind up, so I'll leave you to it ❤️

Not at all, you were lambasting this guy for refusing to attend a (worthwhile) rainbow match, but if it contradicted his religious beliefs, I see no problem with him not attending. Not ideal I agree and if he had it would been a powerful message, but it is a personal religion based choice. No? Maybe I misunderstood your original point. 
 

Anyway, let’s all enjoy the weather (if it’s nice where you are of course)

[Jobyfox]

11 minutes ago, KFS said:

Someone lock this ****ing thread until there’s an update.

 

Jesus Christ.

No Muhammed actually 

[JamesfromlondonLCFC]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not at all, you were lambasting this guy for refusing to attend a (worthwhile) rainbow match, but if it contradicted his religious beliefs, I see no problem with him not attending. Not ideal I agree and if he had it would been a powerful message, but it is a personal religion based choice. No? Maybe I misunderstood your original point. 
 

Anyway, let’s all enjoy the weather (if it’s nice where you are of course)

The issue is in the situation of employment here, he is also a public figure, who acts as a representative of both the club and it's fans. By refusing to take part in a gay rights campaign, that requires not specific actions other than doing what he would have already been doing otherwise, his refusal becomes active protest of gay rights as an issue. It stops being personal. This is why I said if he doesn't want to take part in things like this, he shouldnt be playing in Europe.

 

I think you're right tho about the end comment though. enjoy the weather mate.

Edited 30 August by JamesfromlondonLCFC

[inckley fox]

25 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

So should the club only sign players who share your exact views on the world?? 
 

Are your views on your football club more important than other people’s views?? What if someone disagrees with you??

 

It must be hard work having such rigid opinions and not allowing other viewpoints? 
 

And “how is it exaggeration”?? … I’ve said let’s not over react to his religious opinion it could be simply managed if the benefit of signing him outweighed the disadvantages, it’s a consideration, not the ONLY consideration … you’ve then said “ right so you agree with signing Nazis”!!! 😂

Firstly, I'm not sure whether all of this is true! I've only seen the Wikipedia segment.

 

Wearing a rainbow armband surely doesn't mean you like or partake in anything; rather that you'll support people's rights not to be oppressed for perfectly normal lifestyle choices. In a free country, surely that's fundamental. I don't agree with religion, but you have the right to be religious. I don't think you need to agree with something to be tolerant of it.

 

In this case, it seems that he's the one who is being overly sensitive. It's his stance which is so extreme that he can't even do his job properly. That's going to be a problem from a practical point of view and, as this thread attests, draw a lot of unwanted attention. He's saying he can't deal with others living as they choose, not the other way round.

 

Of course, he can have his opinions. He could have extreme ideas if, as a well-paid, high-profile representative of a community, he made sure that they didn't interfere with his job. I've had teachers with some very extreme beliefs, and that's fine if they don't affect their professionalism. If they did, they'd be gone in a heartbeat. In his case, it seems there's a big question mark there.

 

It's quite different to forcing a non-Christian to wear a cross on Xmas Day, or an Argentinian to wear a poppy. It's about tolerance, rather than signing up to any viewpoint. And I think he'll rightly have problems if he truly does have such a serious issue with that.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, JamesfromlondonLCFC said:

The issue is in the situation of employment here, he is also a public figure, who acts as a representative of both the club and it's fans. By refusing to take part in a gay rights campaign, that requires not specific actions other than doing what he would have already been doing otherwise, his refusal becomes active protest of gay rights as an issue. It stops being personal. This is why I said if he doesn't want to take part in things like this, he shouldnt be playing in Europe.

I can see what you are saying, I just think it is not so simple, but let’s leave it there for now before we both get a ban. 

[Dahnsouff]

Nicely described @inckley fox

[splinterdream]

55 minutes ago, JamesfromlondonLCFC said:

For what reason would you do that? Do you hate rainbows or something? The pride flag means different things to most people. So being against it doesn't really make any sense, whilst being for gay rights. Because the pride flag is literally just about LGBTQ rights. Unless you're specifically opposed to trans people? Which is also stupid 

because it has been politicised with many things included beyond being about gay rights, and lets face it, that battle has been won, it has been said by many gay people.

[guest123]

31 minutes ago, KFS said:

Someone lock this ****ing thread until there’s an update.

 

Jesus Christ.

Or just not read it or skip past the comments until there is an update 

[tsintskaro]

So he is shit as a footballer and as a human being

that is  a no, next 

 

[inckley fox]

8 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

because it has been politicised with many things included beyond being about gay rights, and lets face it, that battle has been won, it has been said by many gay people.

To be honest, it would have been fine to my mind if he'd said 'While it contradicts aspects of my religious beliefs, I do respect that we live in a culture where these lifestyles are tolerated, and am happy to live in such a culture. Though I don't wish to oppress anyone's freedoms, I'm uncomfortable with being obliged to wear something for which the symbolism, in my view, goes beyond that message.' Or words to that effect.

 

And if he'd been told he had to wear it whether he liked it or not, then his boycott might have been more understandable, because I don't believe we can tell people what they have to believe in, or wear.

 

Perhaps he did articulate something along those lines. Perhaps it was the gun being held to his head which was the critical factor.

 

I have my doubts that he did that, however. I suspect he doesn't want to toe any lines, will boycott games, doesn't want to live in a tolerant culture, and will get himself into more trouble for his extreme views. And then, you'd have to wonder whether it'd all be worth it for someone who's nearly 27, and apparently not very good.

[Bezzanator89]

Okay, this topic is going waaaaaaay off-topic. 

 

Someone either post something relevant to the actual transfer that probably won't happen anyway, or just close the thread before stuff gets real personal.

[guest123]

1 hour ago, Footballwipe said:

Quite, it really outs a lot of people's own prejudices when they think being against a homophobic player is politics in football.

 

Very telling on those individuals tbh

really, if you think you can throw me under the bus with that, then i ain't having it. most on here are being completely 2 faced and not even realising. the majority of those claiming to be against division are the actual ones causing division. keep all politics and all religious crap OUT of football. like i said the other week on here and got a few divs jumping on me.

now, these days, we have laws against many types of hatred which is good, but i've never in my whole life seen or heard anyone being insulted for being gay and the last time i heard any racism was in 1996 against west ham, and if that happened again i'd want them people dealt with. 

BUT, if all politics and religion where left out of football these days completely, this division we are talking about now wouldn't have even happened and all we'd be talking about was football.

 

[guest123]

1 hour ago, chuddy8 said:

If he's a devout Muslim I can sympathise with him not wanting to promote homosexuality, even though I strongly disagree. I am very pro-gay rights, but also believe people shouldn't be forced in to promoting something they aren't comfortable with just because society demands it. 

 

There's a massive difference between being anti-something and not being pro-something. He should be allowed to not wear the rainbow, as long as he doesn't actively speak out against equal rights.

YYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS someone finally gets it, and is proper liberal 

 

edit - and to say, i'm not a big fan of islam at all because of many of it's strange teachings and how open to interpretation it all is, but if you are pro rights, you can then pick and choice who doesn't have the same free rights with you, because you disagree

Edited 30 August by guest123