Prem Officiating Abomination Journal 24/25

[LFEFox23]

Matetas knee is clearly infront of his foot, so why did they mark the green line from his foot?! Surely this is just common sense. 

[st albans fox]

23 minutes ago, katieakita said:

Trust the technology? well i run a Post Office so will pass on that. Midweek now and have not seen any photo evidence to show the linesman made a clear and obvious error. Have seen the frame with no JJ and a green line making out he is well onside but any wide screen image including JJ and the guy looks well offside. The failure to produce any evidence just makes it look like the got it wrong

According to dale johnson (mr espn var), the two screens (wide angle and close up) are the same frame with the green line in exactly the same place.  Mateta’s line is so close to JJ’s line that it doesn’t show in this instance because this is the margin of error introduced to remove the toenail offsides we had first couple seasons of var.

 

I’m not sure we have a case to say that ‘it looks offside’ visually from the angles we can see.  But they have to produce the evidence to the club and it looks like what they’ve shown us isn’t acceptable. 
 

btw, the wide angle freeze frame shows the lino is well behind play so he probably shouldn’t be putting his flag up at all !   But he did and therefore that becomes the onfield decision and var has to have the evidence beyond doubt that mateta is onside. (When the ball was kicked by Mitchell) 

[Super_horns]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

Yeah they didn't really offer much value to that particular debate. 

 

100% it's a different conversation if Newcastle or Liverpool involved. Especially the latter whenever Murphy is talking about them. 

True I agree if that is happening in a big game there is more chat and debate .

[AKCJ]

I see the fact that the PGMOL have said that Bournemouth should have been awarded a late winner against Newcastle has been swept under the rug by the media because Declan Rice was correctly sent off vs Brighton.

 

It'll be the same when they get round to doing ours.

Edited yesterday at 15:03 by AKCJ

[Wortho]

When Liverpool were denied a goal at Spurs the media were all over it for days. Replay the game, change the result etc…but as we’re not a “top club” they’ll forget about it.

[FrankieADZ]

see the premier league arent saying anything else in regards the decision last saturday......

trying to sweep it under the rug i see

[ClaphamFox]

Steve Cooper on the decision in the press conference today:

 

“We’re over it. It was an awful human error. It’s been hidden in the media. That has been as disappointing as the error itself. We have seen images that show he clearly was offside. But they froze it at the wrong time. Everything that has been seen has been a false image. We showed the Premier League that they used the wrong image. We had a massive error go against us. We don’t want it to go under the radar because that’s not fair to the players or the supporters. Errors like that shouldn’t happen. It’s why we’re changing to semi-automated. We felt very let down by it. We needed to stand up for the club and tell the Premier League what we thought.”

Edited 11 hours ago by ClaphamFox

[davieG]

4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Steve Cooper on the decision in the press conference today:

 

“We’re over it. It was an awful human error. It’s been hidden in the media. That has been as disappointing as the error itself. We have seen images that show he clearly was offside. But they froze it at the wrong time. Everything that has been seen has been a false image. We showed the Premier League that they used the wrong image. We had a massive error go against us. We don’t want it to go under the radar because that’s not fair to the players or the supporters. Errors like that shouldn’t happen. It’s why we’re changing to semi-automated. We felt very let down by it. We needed to stand up for the club and tell the Premier League what we thought.”

Plus

 

The images you have, did VAR have those?

“Some of it. But it’s not been used. Mistakes will happen. Hopefully we’ll now be on the end of a decision that goes for us. But own up to it. That’s what the players and managers do. Referees need to as well. The images they have used, he is onside, but it’s after the ball is kicked. If they did it at the moment it is kicked, he is offside. We can’t release them and we won’t. We sent them our presentation and footage, but we’ve not heard anything back.

[moore_94]

Response over VAR?

“We asked them to explain and it confirmed they were wrong in terms of when they stopped the game. It’s not been near the media. Everything you’ve seen on Match of the Day or Sky was wrong. We showed them that, but they’ve not come back to us since.”

[Buzzard]

So the actual images they provided to the media show he WAS onside, so we're disputing that they were used as opposed to a different image?

 

If that's the case, it shows how tight the call was as even in the published image he looks off. 

[ClaphamFox]

It's interesting that Cooper chose such scathing terms to describe how the PL has handled it. It's five days after the game - this was not a heat-of-the-moment, unguarded comment straight after the final whistle. Presumably he wouldn't have used language like that unless the club is absolutely certain that we have proof that Mateta was offside. It's almost as if the club decided before the press conference to accuse the PL of a cover-up in an attempt to goad them into responding and bringing all the evidence out in the open. I can't wait to see how the PL responds.

[Danizen]

2 hours ago, Buzzard said:

So the actual images they provided to the media show he WAS onside, so we're disputing that they were used as opposed to a different image?

 

If that's the case, it shows how tight the call was as even in the published image he looks off. 

Makes it even crazier that someone sat there and said, "no, the assistant referee has got it wrong, there. It's onside."

 

How can someone have that much conviction on such messy evidence? 

[StanSP]

2 hours ago, Buzzard said:

So the actual images they provided to the media show he WAS onside, so we're disputing that they were used as opposed to a different image?

 

If that's the case, it shows how tight the call was as even in the published image he looks off. 

 

17 minutes ago, Danizen said:

Makes it even crazier that someone sat there and said, "no, the assistant referee has got it wrong, there. It's onside."

 

How can someone have that much conviction on such messy evidence? 

Yes. Club argue that the wrong image was used. 

 

PL have dropped a ball and once again, refuse to admit an error or take actual responsibility. 

[StanSP]

It's refreshing to see Cooper fight such a cause though. Even if it'll result in an unfair punishment against him. If it means PL and refs work harder to get the right decisions then I'm all for it. 

 

Be interesting to know (if ever) how the assistant linesman feels. He's done his job and no criticism should be for him. He's been let down by his superiors/colleagues too. 

[talking_goldfish]

 

 

[Lambert09]

4 minutes ago, talking_goldfish said:

 

 

can’t admit it because then their next one against us looks dodgy. Scumbags. This is going to be shit year of decisions for us, at least the efl will be happy to have us back…… oh wait, they hate us as well. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Lambert09

[Spiritwalker]

8 minutes ago, talking_goldfish said:

 

 

We should now make public the evidence we have showing him offside.

[katieakita]

This is my issue, the linesman has said this is offside. This decision should only be overturned if that was a clear and obvious error. I look at this image and think he is offside, some might argue it looks close but in no way can anybody seriously argue that the linesman has made a clear and obvious error. Also fair play to Cooper for pointing this out it is not his fault they cannot do their jobs correctly

[Pita]

I think we will get a fair few more decisions like this   

[st albans fox]

29 minutes ago, katieakita said:

This is my issue, the linesman has said this is offside. This decision should only be overturned if that was a clear and obvious error. I look at this image and think he is offside, some might argue it looks close but in no way can anybody seriously argue that the linesman has made a clear and obvious error. Also fair play to Cooper for pointing this out it is not his fault they cannot do their jobs correctly

Offside isn’t ‘clear and obvious error’. It’s factual based on the images and tech. If it’s a subjective call like our overturn at Fulham then the ref is asked to make the decision after reviewing the evidence 

 

there is a 5cm tolerance given in favour of the attacker to cope with the fact that it’s impossible to freeze the frame at the point the ball was struck (unless you’re using the adidas chip ball).  Our argument is that they froze the play after the ball has left Mitchell’s foot as opposed to the usual freeze when the ball is still showing connected with the foot. suspect this will be pgmol’s get out. That it’s all within the tolerance of error within the system. 

 

unless a media outlet is actually going to get on board with this then we’re getting nowhere apart from looking like moaning cvnts. I reckon the PL wil have already indicated to sky and bbc that there’s nothing to be gained by opening this up. 

Edited 7 hours ago by st albans fox

[TheUltimateWinner]

1 hour ago, talking_goldfish said:

 

 

“We have reviewed our own work and can find nothing wrong with the decision made”

[Cincinnati Fox]

Did they look at this on the Owen:Webb show?

if not it’s a cover up!

[Nalis]

Fair play to Cooper for still calling it out

[squidsworth]

They said no human error was made, that is because they made the decision knowing full well it was offside, so the decision wasn't made in error, it's just the call they decided to make. 

Likely made it to spite us of course, just because they can. You can't mess with authority or authoritarian rule.

[RedSoxUK]

Is it human error to say there was no human error?