Palace vs Leicester - Pre match thread (14th September 3pm)

[pmcla26]

53 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The thing is, I'm not convinced we are sitting in a low block. We're picking a cautious and workmanlike team but asking some of them to do the role of creative players which they're extremely limited at. So we get the worst of both worlds.

Yeah, to be honest you're probably closer to the mark with that assessment. 

 

It's more like we've gone from a style of play that encourages being bold and confident to one that inhibits confidence instead. 

[dr.o.ball]

48 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

And then he got sacked because he couldn't sort out their away form and their home form started to ebb a bit. Unless Cooper demonstrates that he can set up and motivate a team to play away from home, his shelf life in any job will be severely restricted. You can't build a long-term strategy around being crap in half the games you play.

Well yes you're right of course, away  form does count, maybe year 1 and then the following years should be regarded deferently. I'd take ugly survival based on home form this year all day long.

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, dr.o.ball said:

Well yes you're right of course, away  form does count, maybe year 1 and then the following years should be regarded deferently. I'd take ugly survival based on home form this year all day long.

I might be being extremely naive but if his methods create a strong home record and good atmosphere but the opposite away, then he should be encouraged to set up at home how he sees fit and get the results but it's his tactics away from home that should be dealt with as a priority. We're not even talking about the record being OK by trying to nick results, it was pretty much the universally defeat after defeat. I think he picked up just 13 points on the road in just under 1.5 seasons in the Prem.

 

Horrendous.

[Happy Fox]

39 minutes ago, dr.o.ball said:

Well yes you're right of course, away  form does count, maybe year 1 and then the following years should be regarded deferently. I'd take ugly survival based on home form this year all day long.

That puts pressure on us to win at least 12 home games cannot see that happening under Cooper.

[moore_94]

Any fresh injuries?

“No. The players have come back from international duty. Some of them are still recovering, and some of them had long trips. Bobby is still not with us. Every team will lose a lot of players and will be staggered in their returns. We’re not different.”

[moore_94]

Steve Cooper Pre-Match Press Conference vs Crystal Palace

 

PSR appeal win?

“It’s obviously a positive thing. Personally, the club were calm about the situation. It’s definitely a club that’s up front with you. It was an obvious question to ask for anybody joining the club. They were calm. In terms of day to day and training with the players, it hasn’t been too much of a distraction. But we spoke to them about not letting it interfere with our work. It’s not the case that everything has changed. It may add a bit of frustration in terms of the window. It may have affected certain decisions. It would have been better if the decision came early, with the club deemed to have done nothing wrong. But I’ll have to get over that and I’m happy with the squad. We won’t let any negativity creep in.”
 

Impact of PSR?

“There’s been a lot of talk about it. It’s good for the supporters and for the game that there’s clarity. But we haven’t let it interfere. We were ready, as a group of players, to stand up and fight if it had been a negative decision. And if there are any opinions on the decision, we still have to stand up and fight.”
 

Back to the Premier League?

“We’ve tried to maximise the international break. A lot of players left but we’ve had a core of players who stayed here. We’re still going through a natural transition of getting back into the Premier League, with a change in coach and late signings as well. We’re trying to get the senior players to go with it and embrace the challenge. It gives me a chance to see the players take on those ideas. We can definitely improve results. We could have got more points. The last thing we want is to be applauded off for a good performance but without any points. We want results. We have to own that, the staff, and the players, particularly the senior players.”
 

Any fresh injuries?

“No. The players have come back from international duty. Some of them are still recovering, and some of them had long trips. Bobby is still not with us. Every team will lose a lot of players and will be staggered in their returns. We’re not different.”
 

El Khannouss and Edouard?

“Bilal has only had a couple of sessions with us. There’s a few things we’re still building. With Odsonne, we’re delighted he’s here. He’s frustrated he can’t play on Saturday. They add to the talented boys we’ve already got. We’ve got competition and we want guys to push each other.”
 

Work in training?

“Parts of every performance has been good. Parts have looked like we’re developing our game and we need to do better. With new players come in late, we have to develop the connections, particularly at the top end. We’ve got some good work done in the break. We’re under no illusions over how hard any Premier League season will be. Leicester have a brilliant history in the Premier League, but they did go down and have come back up. You’ve seen a real commitment and togetherness in the three games. We really believe we can progress.”
 

In the modern day, is there such thing as a best 11?

“It’s an interesting question. I agree it’s a concept we deal with every week in terms of how we start games and how we finish them. Because of the transfer window and the international break, not every player goes through the same schedule. Some players played at the Euros and other tournaments and need a break. They might only get a two-week pre-season. It means that not every player is at the level they need to be. Sometimes you sign players who haven’t been on a strong program and who are catching up. The modern game is more than a starting team. You need consistency and continuity, but you also need adaptable players. We think about it daily.”
 

Positives and negatives?

“In parts of games, we’ve looked like an exciting team. In other parts, we haven’t looked like that. But in both of those, you’re seeing a group of committed players. You don’t want to go a goal down in every game, but we’ve responded every game. That shows good character. We are also seeing some stuff that’s not what we want. We’re really clear about what we expect and the players have to take that onto the pitch and deliver.”
 

Important games against fellow winless sides?

“The three games we played before, two of them were at home, we’ve gone into those about what we can achieve, and that will be the mentality every time. We need to be motivated by succeeding and not by the fear of failure.”
 

Daka?

“It’s a long-term recovery. He’s out of his boot and his crutches. He’s looking more normal in terms of how he’s walking around. He’s still a while away.”
 

Vardy?

“Vards, you’re right, he trained for a week before he picked up the injury and then trained once before he started. We’ve used the two weeks to get the training into him while preparing him to be ready for a game as well. He played 90 minutes in the last game and nearly got a penalty at the end, so he wasn’t flagging. That’s testament to his professionalism.”
 

International break work?

“Facundo has come here off not too much of a pre-season and there are parts of his body that we have to manage. The international break was a case of getting some individual work done.”
 

Palace?

“They have a clear way of playing and tactical repetitions. An away game comes with challenges and we want to be a team that thrives in those moments. We’re really focused in terms of doing well. It’s my first time going up against him (Glasner) and I’m looking forward to the challenge of the game. We have to get better and Palace is the next step for us. The game can’t come quick enough for us now we’ve got everybody back.”
 

Feeling of first win?

“I’ll be thinking about the players, the staff, and the supporters. There’s no better feeling than a win in the Premier League. Everybody knows the benefits of a win and how things can build.”
 

Results v performances?

“You can’t be narrow-minded enough to not see beyond the results. Some parts of our performances have been good. The players are on board and we give them a voice. We need to do even more to deliver even more.”
 

Tracking internationals?

“With data and professional scrutiny of a player, it’s very normal that confederations will share, sometimes on a daily basis. Sometimes we can give advice on what we think is right for a player. Dialogue is normal now. They come back in and we’re aware of everything.”
 

Perception outside club after PSR appeal win?

“We need to be aware of it. I’ll speak to the players about representing the club for its history and what it stands for, and that includes the present day. The context in that is dealing with a perception, we’ll show our supporters that whatever the opinion is, we won’t let that affect our togetherness. I was ready to roll my sleeves up no matter the decision is. It’s the same for the players. We need to stand up for the club.”

Edited 12 September by moore_94

[talking_goldfish]

7 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

El Khannouss and Edouard?

“Bilal has only had a couple of sessions with us. There’s a few things we’re still building. With Odsonne, we’re delighted he’s here. He’s frustrated he can’t play on Saturday. They add to the talented boys we’ve already got. We’ve got competition and we want guys to push each other.”
 

International break work?

“Facundo has come here off not too much of a pre-season and there are parts of his body that we have to manage. The international break was a case of getting some individual work done.”

 

Getting the excuses in early for a starting midfield 3 of Winks, Ndidi and Skipp.

[Tuna]

Mads

 

Okoli/Faes/Vesty

 

Justin/Riccy

 

Skipp/Winks/Ndidi

 

Bilal/Facundo/Abdul/Stephy

 

Vardy/Edouard/Ayew

 

This is a a core squad that is capable of staying up - over to you Steve.

Edited 12 September by Tuna

[OntarioFox]

winnit

 

ps: surprised how many people here haven't worked out that Edouard can't play in this one,

[Lambert09]

16 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Steve Cooper Pre-Match Press Conference vs Crystal Palace

 

PSR appeal win?

“It’s obviously a positive thing. Personally, the club were calm about the situation. It’s definitely a club that’s up front with you. It was an obvious question to ask for anybody joining the club. They were calm. In terms of day to day and training with the players, it hasn’t been too much of a distraction. But we spoke to them about not letting it interfere with our work. It’s not the case that everything has changed. It may add a bit of frustration in terms of the window. It may have affected certain decisions. It would have been better if the decision came early, with the club deemed to have done nothing wrong. But I’ll have to get over that and I’m happy with the squad. We won’t let any negativity creep in.”
 

Impact of PSR?

“There’s been a lot of talk about it. It’s good for the supporters and for the game that there’s clarity. But we haven’t let it interfere. We were ready, as a group of players, to stand up and fight if it had been a negative decision. And if there are any opinions on the decision, we still have to stand up and fight.”
 

Back to the Premier League?

“We’ve tried to maximise the international break. A lot of players left but we’ve had a core of players who stayed here. We’re still going through a natural transition of getting back into the Premier League, with a change in coach and late signings as well. We’re trying to get the senior players to go with it and embrace the challenge. It gives me a chance to see the players take on those ideas. We can definitely improve results. We could have got more points. The last thing we want is to be applauded off for a good performance but without any points. We want results. We have to own that, the staff, and the players, particularly the senior players.”
 

Any fresh injuries?

“No. The players have come back from international duty. Some of them are still recovering, and some of them had long trips. Bobby is still not with us. Every team will lose a lot of players and will be staggered in their returns. We’re not different.”
 

El Khannouss and Edouard?

“Bilal has only had a couple of sessions with us. There’s a few things we’re still building. With Odsonne, we’re delighted he’s here. He’s frustrated he can’t play on Saturday. They add to the talented boys we’ve already got. We’ve got competition and we want guys to push each other.”
 

Work in training?

“Parts of every performance has been good. Parts have looked like we’re developing our game and we need to do better. With new players come in late, we have to develop the connections, particularly at the top end. We’ve got some good work done in the break. We’re under no illusions over how hard any Premier League season will be. Leicester have a brilliant history in the Premier League, but they did go down and have come back up. You’ve seen a real commitment and togetherness in the three games. We really believe we can progress.”
 

In the modern day, is there such thing as a best 11?

“It’s an interesting question. I agree it’s a concept we deal with every week in terms of how we start games and how we finish them. Because of the transfer window and the international break, not every player goes through the same schedule. Some players played at the Euros and other tournaments and need a break. They might only get a two-week pre-season. It means that not every player is at the level they need to be. Sometimes you sign players who haven’t been on a strong program and who are catching up. The modern game is more than a starting team. You need consistency and continuity, but you also need adaptable players. We think about it daily.”
 

Positives and negatives?

“In parts of games, we’ve looked like an exciting team. In other parts, we haven’t looked like that. But in both of those, you’re seeing a group of committed players. You don’t want to go a goal down in every game, but we’ve responded every game. That shows good character. We are also seeing some stuff that’s not what we want. We’re really clear about what we expect and the players have to take that onto the pitch and deliver.”
 

Important games against fellow winless sides?

“The three games we played before, two of them were at home, we’ve gone into those about what we can achieve, and that will be the mentality every time. We need to be motivated by succeeding and not by the fear of failure.”
 

Daka?

“It’s a long-term recovery. He’s out of his boot and his crutches. He’s looking more normal in terms of how he’s walking around. He’s still a while away.”
 

Vardy?

“Vards, you’re right, he trained for a week before he picked up the injury and then trained once before he started. We’ve used the two weeks to get the training into him while preparing him to be ready for a game as well. He played 90 minutes in the last game and nearly got a penalty at the end, so he wasn’t flagging. That’s testament to his professionalism.”
 

International break work?

“Facundo has come here off not too much of a pre-season and there are parts of his body that we have to manage. The international break was a case of getting some individual work done.”
 

Palace?

“They have a clear way of playing and tactical repetitions. An away game comes with challenges and we want to be a team that thrives in those moments. We’re really focused in terms of doing well. It’s my first time going up against him (Glasner) and I’m looking forward to the challenge of the game. We have to get better and Palace is the next step for us. The game can’t come quick enough for us now we’ve got everybody back.”
 

Feeling of first win?

“I’ll be thinking about the players, the staff, and the supporters. There’s no better feeling than a win in the Premier League. Everybody knows the benefits of a win and how things can build.”
 

Results v performances?

“You can’t be narrow-minded enough to not see beyond the results. Some parts of our performances have been good. The players are on board and we give them a voice. We need to do even more to deliver even more.”
 

Tracking internationals?

“With data and professional scrutiny of a player, it’s very normal that confederations will share, sometimes on a daily basis. Sometimes we can give advice on what we think is right for a player. Dialogue is normal now. They come back in and we’re aware of everything.”
 

Perception outside club after PSR appeal win?

“We need to be aware of it. I’ll speak to the players about representing the club for its history and what it stands for, and that includes the present day. The context in that is dealing with a perception, we’ll show our supporters that whatever the opinion is, we won’t let that affect our togetherness. I was ready to roll my sleeves up no matter the decision is. It’s the same for the players. We need to stand up for the club.”

That line on Bilal is important. That’s manager speak for when a player is a bigger project than anticipated. He’s getting his defence for why he’s not starting in early. 

 

Don’t expect him to be starting for quite a while 

 

All you need to do is compare it with how he spoke so glowingly of edouard 

 

* fwiw we had a slow start with mahrez as well, got to be patient with these things 

Edited 12 September by Lambert09

[Kp1984]

19 hours ago, gurru991 said:

Let's hope Cooper has learnt from the previous games & he starts a more aggressive team against Palace. 

Won’t happen 

[Ric Flair]

11 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

That line on Bilal is important. That’s manager speak for when a player is a bigger project than anticipated. He’s getting his defence for why he’s not starting in early. 

 

Don’t expect him to be starting for quite a while 

 

All you need to do is compare it with how he spoke so glowingly of edouard 

 

* fwiw we had a slow start with mahrez as well, got to be patient with these things 

Exactly, very much a work in progress to alter him in to being a defensive midfielder. He'll be delighted that Morocco have also been using him in a double pivot 😂

[Raj]

Is Edouard  playing?

[hejammy]

International break work?

“Facundo has come here off not too much of a pre-season and there are parts of his body that we have to manage. The international break was a case of getting some individual work done.”

 

"There are parts of his body that we have to manage" - seemed perfectly fine when he has played for us! - also wtf does that even mean!? - Like you need to manage his left nipple more than his right?

[hejammy]

7 minutes ago, Raj said:

Is Edouard  playing?

Can't play

[Happy Fox]

Cooper is clueless , getting those excuses early, hope we bin him asap.

[StriderHiryu]

57 minutes ago, talking_goldfish said:

 

Getting the excuses in early for a starting midfield 3 of Winks, Ndidi and Skipp.

Sad but true

[st albans fox]

Delete 

 

 

Edited 12 September by st albans fox

[st albans fox]

38 minutes ago, Raj said:

Is Edouard  playing?

After the AFCON

[Tuna]

1 hour ago, OntarioFox said:

winnit

 

ps: surprised how many people here haven't worked out that Edouard can't play in this one,

If this is in reference to my post, I'm pointing out Cooper has a squad that can stay up this season. No one thinks Edouard can play, surely.

[Tommy G]

I'd start Edouard if I was Cooper, he'll be well up for Palarse

[Levi Port]

Recon he’ll go: 

 

          Mads 

JJ, Wout, Okoli, Victor

     Winks, Skipp

Fatawu, Bueno, Ayew

             JV

[TheLittleBigMan]

Edouard can't play. Are we all on the same page now? Fek sake.

[ClaphamFox]

7 minutes ago, TheLittleBigMan said:

Edouard can't play. Are we all on the same page now? Fek sake.

CAN'T play or Cooper WON'T play him? That's the question...

[TheLittleBigMan]

8 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

CAN'T play or Cooper WON'T play him? That's the question...

On loan players are forbidden to play against their parent club in the premier league.