LCFC 1-1 Everton - Post Match Thread

[Ric Flair]

Enjoyed parts of it, whilst others scared the living shit out of me. Which has been the case for all 5 PL games.

 

Absolutely astonishing decision making once again from Cooper though. I've reached a point I'm not even going to resort to getting angry anymore. It's wasted on him, he hasn't got a clue.

 

Any serious manager goes for the jugular at 1-1, Everton looked done. Any serious manager looks Ayew and Justin who couldn't get within 5 yards of their man all game.

 

Any serious manager understands they've just witnessed Mavididi putting in his best display in a Leicester shirt and that he's on a one man mission to prove he belongs at this level and it was taking up so much resource and focus from Everton to deal with him that Fatawu would have been too much for them to deal with as well. So galling to see such cowardice. 

 

I'm not letting him ruin my weekend again though. Genuinely took me last week until about Wednesday to stop wanting to take bodies. Just counting down the days until we can draw a line under this regime. Instead I'll focus on how good Mavididi was and to a lesser degree Ndidi was spot on again.

[hejammy]

Has anyone talked about the fact that there was a delay to the second half (albeit a rather small one) but not a word from anyone in the stadium. Not on the screen or an announcement. A bit poor that 

[DerbyshireFox]

1 minute ago, hejammy said:

Has anyone talked about the fact that there was a delay to the second half (albeit a rather small one) but not a word from anyone in the stadium. Not on the screen or an announcement. A bit poor that 

I think it speaks to the quality of the game that I didn’t even notice the delay until I read it in the match report 🤣.

[brookfox]

Was a pretty rough watch with two teams locking confidence played in pretty bizarre conditions. At kick off the team selection looked ok to me.

Three main concerns during the match. I struggle to describe our style of play and we don’t look like we have a cohesive plan for how to attack. There were some dreadful individual decisions/moments across the team. Then most of all the f-fun subs! We equalise, Everton confidence shaken so the obvious is to turn the screw and attack. Get Fatawu, Eduoard and Skipp on! Don’t wait till the 88th min to bring Fatawu on then replace Mavididi!

 

Cooper definitely comes across as a manager who wants to not lose more than he wants to win.

[trabuch]

I struggle to see what the plan is. And it looks like the players do too.

[tickler28]

54 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Did you listen to the game in Spanish commentary or something? 
 

If you could explain to me what part of that performance was acceptable today, and explain to me why he he’s left Ayew on to attack a 39 year old left back, when he could have picked Ricardo and Fatawu to attack him, but instead chose to bring Fatawu on in the 88th minute, and play him on his weaker side???

 

If you can explain any of that without sounding like a hippie on acid, I’d be impressed? 

Ricardo is a right back not a right winger. Fattawu is not up to Premier League standard yet. 

[murphy]

32 minutes ago, MancFox24 said:

I'm somewhere in between really. I think man for man it's probably one of the 3 worst squads in the league so 17th would be a good result this year. But I'm not thrilled with what Cooper's doing. I'm just willing to give him a bit more of a chance than most others on here. And I'm not convinced that a Maresca style team would be doing any better. 

I had reservations about the prospect of trying to Maresca our way through the PL myself and I was indifferent to his leaving.   I didn't know much about Cooper when he was appointed but he has just lost me with the negativity and lack of belief.  I think we can do much better with the handbrake off.  

 

I guess my feeling toward Cooper would be best put by saying that it is one thing to fail to beat Everton at home, but it is quite another to not even try to beat Everton at home.

[Dan LCFC]

Please just sack him. Survival is attainable if we do.

[squidsworth]

Literally I think I could do better with this group than cooper, how long will it take for our elite owners to realise they f**ked up again? Time to start letting it known, matching Everton ain't good enough.

[Simonb]

2 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

No slower than Coady and much better on the ball and yet Vesty doesn’t even get a place on the bench. 

Have to agree with that.  I'd have him on the bench ahead of Coady.

[trabuch]

29 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Ricardo is a right back not a right winger. Fattawu is not up to Premier League standard yet. 

Why did he bring him on to replace our most threatening player on the pitch in the 89th minute?

[Jjridgewell]

31 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Ricardo is a right back not a right winger. Fattawu is not up to Premier League standard yet. 

neither is ayew and yet he played 90 mins, also in those 90 mins i don't think he tried to attack 39 yr old ashley young once which is shockingly bad

[Wymsey]

Am predicting a 'shock' win at Arsenal, with Fatawu starting..

 

Just sense that this isn't all over yet, and something quite unexpected will happen.

Edited 11 hours ago by Wymsey

[justfoxes]

7 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I’d imagine if that deal was going to happen, sooner rather than later is best for both clubs

The people around me today were so against cooper almost saying he was Bodgers 2.0, for some reason I just don’t buy into his philosophy he hasn’t won in the PL for some time I don’t know how many but his appointment was like no one else wanted the job because of the PSR deduction of points so we went for Blooper but now we’re safe of any deductions can we tempt Corboran Potter or another decent manager other than Forests cast offs?

[justfoxes]

7 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Our opportunity to get Corberan came and went in the summer. He’ll be managing in the PL next year, but not with us.

Which would be a Fuching Damn shame if Cooper is still with us come December I’ll be surprised a knee jerk PSR appointment that never should be I’d rather see Vardy being player manager !!

[CPepFox]

2 hours ago, justfoxes said:

Which would be a Fuching Damn shame if Cooper is still with us come December I’ll be surprised a knee jerk PSR appointment that never should be I’d rather see Vardy being player manager !!

Hell, give me Roon.... ok... maybe not... but maybe... torn here

[LCFCJohn]

For a bit of balance, draws are important to pick up. We came close to falling short last season as we were too easy to beat, lost too many games and lacked the ability to supplement the wins with draws. Fortunately we won enough games.

 

Obviously now we have gone the other way. Become harder to beat and grinding out draws but to back up what wins? With the negative set ups and in game management, I can completely understand the ‘where is a win coming from’ train of thought. To be 2-0 up last week at a poor Palace and not win, and to be outplayed at home by an awful Everton side is so so poor however you try to dress it up.

 

I would maybe be of the view that it was ok had we drawn due to Pickford having the game of his life or the woodwork being constantly tested, signs that it just wasn’t out day but the ingredients are there. But it still seems so far off.

 

To end of a positive, set pieces seem to have improved. The move for Okolie’s header over and then goal. I think we got a new set piece coach didn’t we? Hopefully a club appointment and not linked to Cooper if he does get the boot before long.

[Bert]

8 hours ago, MPH said:

Nice try, Burt. 
 

 

 However Here’s a screen shot that shows that it was Faes who was woefully out of position for the first goal leaving a massive hole that Justin TRIED to cover but couldn’t  get to in time.

classic tactic. Pull the CB out of position and exploit the hole.

 

 

but yeah, let’s not let the facts get in the way of some good old JJ  ( and MPH) bashing eh?

 

 

and for what it’s worth they did the exact same thing in the 4th minute and we fell for it again a few minutes later.

 

 

 

How can you not spell my name right when it’s right there?  
 

Faes is out of position. Correct. But the goal has still come from Justin’s side. Ignore everything else i said though! 

[Pliskin]

7 hours ago, tickler28 said:

Ricardo is a right back not a right winger. Fattawu is not up to Premier League standard yet. 

So playing Ricardo at right back who gets forward isn’t at right back? Ah okay, so you don’t think Fatawu a young explosive winger would cause a 39 year old any problems? 

[Pliskin]

6 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Am predicting a 'shock' win at Arsenal, with Fatawu starting..

 

Just sense that this isn't all over yet, and something quite unexpected will happen.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Pliskin]

7 hours ago, hejammy said:

Has anyone talked about the fact that there was a delay to the second half (albeit a rather small one) but not a word from anyone in the stadium. Not on the screen or an announcement. A bit poor that 

The clubs shit, so it doesn’t surprise me. They couldn’t run a bath. 
 

And on a side note, what’s happened to the old guy who reads the team out? Have I missed something or has he left?

[foxfanazer]

6 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Am predicting a 'shock' win at Arsenal, with Fatawu starting..

 

Just sense that this isn't all over yet, and something quite unexpected will happen.

Haven't you said you've got a feeling we're gonna win every game so far? Eventually you're gonna be right.... hopefully 

[hejammy]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

The clubs shit, so it doesn’t surprise me. They couldn’t run a bath. 
 

And on a side note, what’s happened to the old guy who reads the team out? Have I missed something or has he left?

There's a young guy who does it. Been doing it for a while now I think (possibly since last seaon maybe more?) 

[beepee1984]

I thought we were awful. Everton should have been out of sight in the 1st half. Cooper hasn't won a PL match in 18 games - only paid attention to the last 5 and can see why - doesn't have a clue

 

Better after FB (our best player in the 1st 2 matches, but randomly dropped since) came on, but still didn't create enough

Everton had a full back issue and we should have started with Fatawu instead of Ayew.

We didn't use out bench effectively - we can use 5 subs these days and despite taking control of the game failed to create anything real and had to rely on a lucky corner

Ricci superglued to the bench and Vestegaard relegated to the naughty step - both would be involved with a Manager who had the squad behind him

We didn't have our young academy international McAteer in the squad, who would offer more from the bench than Reid - although as already advised - Cooper ain't going to use the bench anyway

 

Not sure if it is the players or what Cooper is getting out of our players - this looks to be our worst team ever in the PL (Basset & the 2002 squad are their only challengers)

 

[oz was my hero]

2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

The clubs shit, so it doesn’t surprise me. They couldn’t run a bath. 
 

And on a side note, what’s happened to the old guy who reads the team out? Have I missed something or has he left?

Thing that surprised me more with the way we are ran is we didn't water the pitch at half time.