Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

I am not sure that you can good conscience tbh. Yes the league is blocking other clubs from reaching the levels of the big 6, or whatever awful term we may choose to use, but to suggest they are preventing us from operating in a more frugal and cunning manner is just not true. 

We literally won the league operating in exactly the model we should use as a club our size, then for some reason, not long after Rudkin's arrival as DOF we decided wo spunk money on absolute mediocre shite. We have been doing that for years since. It went down hill from the likes of Musa, Slimani etc. Over time we have wasted a phenomenal amount of money and have absolutely nothing to show for it. 

 

That is a complete failure of the senior leadership at the club, they cant blame anyone else for their ineptitude over 5-10 years,. The fact that Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford, smaller clubs than us, one with an 12000 capacity can exist sustainably proves they are the failure. 

[Foxin_Mad]

17 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Find it mad that the boards awful decision making was so bad 4-5 years ago that they're still struggling to deal with the effects of it

 

Yet nothing has changed. Part of me wants this clown show to continue for another 5 years to see if they can manage to get us to the promised land of league two.

Just imagine them confirming on twitter 'Confirmation of our position in EFL League 2 for the 27/28 season'

[OnlyOneCity]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

We literally won the league operating in exactly the model we should use as a club our size, then for some reason, not long after Rudkin's arrival as DOF we decided wo spunk money on absolute mediocre shite. We have been doing that for years since. It went down hill from the likes of Musa, Slimani etc. Over time we have wasted a phenomenal amount of money and have absolutely nothing to show for it. 

 

That is a complete failure of the senior leadership at the club, they cant blame anyone else for their ineptitude over 5-10 years,. The fact that Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford, smaller clubs than us, one with an 12000 capacity can exist sustainably proves they are the failure. 

Who was DOF when we won the league?

[Foxdiamond]

22 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Although its the clubs fault we flunked psr, psr is still a complete sack of red cartel protecting yankee corruption bullshit. Its making the Premier League a total joke. Well run tin pot clubs will soon be most of the mid table. Who wants to watch Bournemouth vs Brentford honestly? its nearly as bad as Al Helal vs Al Shebab, no one cares. 

I agree that PSR helps the cartel. Can't agree with Bournemouth Brentford comment. There are football snobs out there that feel the same way about clubs like Leicester. People should broaden their horizons otherwise it increases the obsession with the usual suspects. Bit like that Spurs fan when we were going for the title. " Leicester are nobodies"

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, OnlyOneCity said:

Who was DOF when we won the league?

Rudkin was appointed that year, but he cant really take any credit for that first year, a lot of the structure and philosphy that won the league was started in motion back in 2008.

 

Rumour is Pearson thought he was a massive ****.

[urban.spaceman]

8 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

By all accounts - we couldn't afford to sack Rodgers; couldn't afford release fee for any in-work manager (Corberan); couldn't afford to pay for anyone after Cooper was sacked; can't afford to sack RVN. 

 

Maybe the club should start planning for the entirely predictable expense of firing and hiring managers. 

 

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Find it mad that the boards awful decision making was so bad 4-5 years ago that they're still struggling to deal with the effects of it

 

Yet nothing has changed. Part of me wants this clown show to continue for another 5 years to see if they can manage to get us to the promised land of league two.

 

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think the club is responsible over paying bad players big wages, paying over the odds for bad players, and signing players and managers with no real thought process for how they fit whatever structure or philosophy we have.

 

Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, Palace can all meet PSR with seemingly no issues. We clearly have a huge problem at management level.

 

I dont agree with the rules or the fact that Chelsea blatantly get away with taking the piss, yet it is possible to be a well run stable Premier League team for a club our size. 

 

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I am not sure that you can good conscience tbh. Yes the league is blocking other clubs from reaching the levels of the big 6, or whatever awful term we may choose to use, but to suggest they are preventing us from operating in a more frugal and cunning manner is just not true. 

The decision making 4-5 years ago was within the confines of entirely different rules. When the PSR threshold tightened in 2020/21/22 we’d been spending money within a system - that had already restricted our earnings and spending power - that we’d developed a strategy to develop and grow. And it was working. Top 3 for most of 2 seasons, League Cup semi finalists, FA Cup winners, Europa Conference League semi finalists. We’d achieved success and were growing, so had been spending - albeit poorly - within that framework.

 

Before the rules changed, we’d already “broken” them. (Turns out, we didn’t) The squad we’d built to break into the top 5, win trophies and compete in the top end of Europe, became a millstone around our neck because not only couldn’t we sell them to any other clubs - who now couldn’t spend as much money either - we also couldn’t replace any of them like-for-like. 

 

These are the same rules that the Premier League and EFL are both on record as stating they’re poorly written. BOTH leagues have explicitly and repeatedly broken their OWN RULES while at the same time failing to prove we’ve broken any of theirs. 

 

Blame the club all you want - they (especially Rudkin) have a LOT to answer for. 

 

But I’m sick of people pretending that we’re not dealing with hostile, incompetent and clearly corrupt leagues. 

[Finnegan]

8 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

He’s been terrible, granted. But if ‘promises’ were made and not honoured, I’d not blame him for not walking.

 

Both parties signed a contract. 

 

People need to park their anger a moment and get a bit of perspective. He's a human being that's uprooted his family to take a job in another country. 

 

A job he's done to the best of his ability. He might have fallen short but you can't fault his ambition for trying, our board were foolish to take such a risk on him in the first place. 

 

If his contract says he's due X compensation in the event the club want to terminate that contract then he's due X compensation. 

 

People getting angry with him for this are the same as people getting angry at footballers who want to stay when we've paid them high wages or, alternatively, footballers who want to see out their contracts and leave on a free. 

 

It's what a contract is. Ruud has done absolutely nothing wrong and nobody should "hate" him on a human level, that's just ****ing unhealthy. He's just not a good enough football manager for the level we're at or probably even the level we're going down to. That's our fault for hiring him, not his. 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:26 by Finnegan

[urban.spaceman]

15 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, Palace can all meet PSR with seemingly no issues

None of those clubs had been spending any where near the amount of money we were (within the rules) to challenge at the top of the league at the time the rules changed. That’s why they’re always compliant. 

[Phil Mitchell]

7 minutes ago, OnlyOneCity said:

Who was DOF when we won the league?

 

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said:

I agree that PSR helps the cartel. Can't agree with Bournemouth Brentford comment. There are football snobs out there that feel the same way about clubs like Leicester. People should broaden their horizons otherwise it increases the obsession with the usual suspects. Bit like that Spurs fan when we were going for the title. " Leicester are nobodies"

The reality is though you expect the top league to be made up with Bigger clubs, and people watching want the history and prestige to be part of that. That's why the Saudi League cant just buy up all the best players, people fundamentally don't care about some fixtures. Over history we have spent quite a bit of time in the top 2 divisions. Until a recently Brentford and Bournemouth didn't. 

 

Fair play to them they are well run, and its great for their fans but realistically Sheffield Wednesday vs Sheffield Utd for example is always going to be a more entertaining spectacle. 

[Skidmark]

Is there any justification for keeping him? 

• A squad not of his making. 
• Some glimpses of decent football in the past few weeks.
• Having a pair to be able to get rid of Vardy, Winks, Ndidi etc.
• Will attract significant talent to the club because of his status, more so than Martin and Röhl.
• Has previous working with young players. 
• Would cost too much to get rid of him.
• He's been able to analyse the squad since December and is in the best position to sort out who stays and who leaves.
• Can deal with tricky situations e.g. Winks. 

I'm not saying I'd want him here, but I see a few reasons why it might be in our best interests to keep him. A season in the Championship may be the making of a good coach. 

 

[ealingfox]

17 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

“Club owned by a multi billionaire with demonstrable record of investment can’t afford to sack failing manager”

 

What truly ****ing absurd times we live in. 

 

Stop acting like everything is a massive injustice and we're a complete victim, it completely lets the idiots running the club off the hook.

 

We've been paying Odsonne Edouard to do nothing all season - is that PSRs fault?

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

The reality is though you expect the top league to be made up with Bigger clubs, and people watching want the history and prestige to be part of that. That's why the Saudi League cant just buy up all the best players, people fundamentally don't care about some fixtures. Over history we have spent quite a bit of time in the top 2 divisions. Until a recently Brentford and Bournemouth didn't. 

 

Fair play to them they are well run, and its great for their fans but realistically Sheffield Wednesday vs Sheffield Utd for example is always going to be a more entertaining spectacle. 

This ignores the beauty of the league pyramid that just about survives. So called bigger clubs don't have the divine right to be in the top division and fans should embrace the clubs that break in. 

[Ian S]

5 minutes ago, Skidmark said:

Is there any justification for keeping him? 

• A squad not of his making. 
• Some glimpses of decent football in the past few weeks.
• Having a pair to be able to get rid of Vardy, Winks, Ndidi etc.
• Will attract significant talent to the club because of his status, more so than Martin and Röhl.
• Has previous working with young players. 
• Would cost too much to get rid of him.
• He's been able to analyse the squad since December and is in the best position to sort out who stays and who leaves.
• Can deal with tricky situations e.g. Winks. 

I'm not saying I'd want him here, but I see a few reasons why it might be in our best interests to keep him. A season in the Championship may be the making of a good coach. 

 

More likely a season in the championship with him will continue our downward spiral apace.

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, Skidmark said:

Is there any justification for keeping him? 

• A squad not of his making. 
• Some glimpses of decent football in the past few weeks.
• Having a pair to be able to get rid of Vardy, Winks, Ndidi etc.
• Will attract significant talent to the club because of his status, more so than Martin and Röhl.
• Has previous working with young players. 
• Would cost too much to get rid of him.
• He's been able to analyse the squad since December and is in the best position to sort out who stays and who leaves.
• Can deal with tricky situations e.g. Winks. 

I'm not saying I'd want him here, but I see a few reasons why it might be in our best interests to keep him. A season in the Championship may be the making of a good coach. 

 

I think this is a fair assessment.

 

People expect instant changes, managers and players need a good 6-9 months in my opinion to start to make a real impact.

 

The constant swapping puts us right back at the start of the process again, the fans will expect instant success, thats assuming the club can bring in someone half decent. Who to say whoever they bring in is going to be any good either. 

 

Its difficult because it has been shit, but he's been dealt an incredibly shit hand but on the flip side, bring someone new in they have to assess the situation, look at players, back to square 1.

 

I imagine Rudd already knows who would be part of his plans. The club absolutely does need a strong hand too, even if thats going to upset a few cry babies, theres a soft as shit culture that needs removing. A general lack of accountability and pride playing for the club. 

 

I dont really care if he hasnt come to clap the fans as they have mostly been crap too. 

[Dahnsouff]

9 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

None of those clubs had been spending any where near the amount of money we were (within the rules) to challenge at the top of the league at the time the rules changed. That’s why they’re always compliant. 

So our intentional fiscal irresponsibility, coupled with shocking scouting, should not be punished, but the prudent approach of those other clubs should be ridiculed?

Indifferent to what those monied clubs do, they are unfairly biased toward by design, but plenty of clubs stayed in this league during the FFP changed and did not fall foul of the changes.

This is our club, but lack of credit where lack of credit is due.

[Foxin_Mad]

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

This ignores the beauty of the league pyramid that just about survives. So called bigger clubs don't have the divine right to be in the top division and fans should embrace the clubs that break in. 

I dont think it does survive anymore though thats the point, they are there because they happened to get promoted in a period that allowed them to become established, now unless they completely cock up they wont go down on merit as they will be light years ahead of any promoted side financially.

 

They don't have a divine right, and I don't mind them getting there but generally a sustained period for a 12000 capacity club would be fairly unlikely.. 

 

The ability to have a competition that is decided by Easter would generally be more interesting. 

[urban.spaceman]

7 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

We've been paying Odsonne Edouard to do nothing all season - is that PSRs fault?

How many times do I have to say the club’s decision making on signings and contracts has been utterly appalling?

 

7 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Stop acting like everything is a massive injustice and we're a complete victim, it completely lets the idiots running the club off the hook.

Exclusively blaming the club and refusing to acknowledge the actual cause of our demise ironically lets the Premier League off the hook. You can’t have an honest discussion about the club’s culpability without looking at the actual circumstances.

[Finnegan]

16 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

The reality is though you expect the top league to be made up with Bigger clubs, and people watching want the history and prestige to be part of that. That's why the Saudi League cant just buy up all the best players, people fundamentally don't care about some fixtures. Over history we have spent quite a bit of time in the top 2 divisions. Until a recently Brentford and Bournemouth didn't. 

 

Fair play to them they are well run, and its great for their fans but realistically Sheffield Wednesday vs Sheffield Utd for example is always going to be a more entertaining spectacle. 

 

Mate, you know most of the world doesn't see us any "bigger" than Fulham, Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford, right? 

[Itsthejoeker]

**** taking sides in this they’re both showers of shite 

[john ridley]

6 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think this is a fair assessment.

 

People expect instant changes, managers and players need a good 6-9 months in my opinion to start to make a real impact.

 

The constant swapping puts us right back at the start of the process again, the fans will expect instant success, thats assuming the club can bring in someone half decent. Who to say whoever they bring in is going to be any good either. 

 

Its difficult because it has been shit, but he's been dealt an incredibly shit hand but on the flip side, bring someone new in they have to assess the situation, look at players, back to square 1.

 

I imagine Rudd already knows who would be part of his plans. The club absolutely does need a strong hand too, even if thats going to upset a few cry babies, theres a soft as shit culture that needs removing. A general lack of accountability and pride playing for the club. 

 

I dont really care if he hasnt come to clap the fans as they have mostly been crap too. 

If he somehow stays he needs to bring some experienced  coaches to help out ,I think that's been he's  main or the clubs fault .Tried to do it on the cheap,again .

[Haywood_6]

This is the consequence of handing out massive contracts to average players you end up with no flexibility to make moves with PSR hanging over you. Whether it’s signing new players or firing a manager you just hit a wall.

 

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said:

How many times do I have to say the club’s decision making on signings and contracts has been utterly appalling?

 

Exclusively blaming the club and refusing to acknowledge the actual cause of our demise ironically lets the Premier League off the hook. You can’t have an honest discussion about the club’s culpability without looking at the actual circumstances.

Thing is I agree with this but we are now 2/3 years on and the club hasn't learned, they are still doing the same things with the same people.  Thats my problem.

 

I absolutely agree the league is corrupt and the rules are stupid, they are designed to stop clubs challenging the big six cartel. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

We have just received a payment of £1.25m from UEFA, maybe this will help with PSR wriggle room and paying him off 

[Foxin_Mad]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Mate, you know most of the world doesn't see us any "bigger" than Fulham, Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford, right? 

I think historically we've done more than Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford and we have been in the top 2 divisions longer. Produced greats like Banks, Shilton, Lineker etc. 

 

Whether the world is correctly informed is a different matter.