Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[CrazyKopCorner]

55 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Worst manager in the clubs history and he wants compensation.

 

Shouldn't even pick up a wage for how hes performed, let alone compo.

Absolutely spouted on about how he has integrity and then complete surprise that in fact he has **** all - A complete Charlatan 

[CosbehFox]

26 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

None of those clubs had been spending any where near the amount of money we were (within the rules) to challenge at the top of the league at the time the rules changed. That’s why they’re always compliant. 

Which is more of an us issue. I read we are the only club to ever spent more on wages collectively in the Premier League than our revenues. That’s including a whopping revenue increased due to good performance 

[David Hankey]

5 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Thing is I agree with this but we are now 2/3 years on and the club hasn't learned, they are still doing the same things with the same people.  Thats my problem.

 

I absolutely agree the league is corrupt and the rules are stupid, they are designed to stop clubs challenging the big six cartel. 

Agreed yet all Clubs strive to be there.

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I dont think it does survive anymore though thats the point, they are there because they happened to get promoted in a period that allowed them to become established, now unless they completely cock up they wont go down on merit as they will be light years ahead of any promoted side financially.

 

They don't have a divine right, and I don't mind them getting there but generally a sustained period for a 12000 capacity club would be fairly unlikely.. 

 

The ability to have a competition that is decided by Easter would generally be more interesting. 

Be interesting to see how a big club like Leeds do next season. I wouldn't say a Bournemouth or Brentford would be immune to relegation on merit. What would be a surprise is if an Everton or Spurs went down. I can remember when Spurs and Man U went down from the old first division. What the big clubs don't like is when a Wimbledon or Wigan bloody their noses and actually win honours 

[RowlattsFox]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

If you were in his shoes you’d do the same. It’s the idiots once again giving out ridiculous contracts that are the issue.

The contract isn't the problem, unless it's an obscene amount of money. What else you going to offer him? 

 

It's choosing him that was the problem. Then either him not having any backroom staff with him was a big red flag. 

[urban.spaceman]

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

So our intentional fiscal irresponsibility,

It wasn’t irresponsible at the time. It was a strategy under a particular set of rules that had proven to be successful.

 

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

 

coupled with shocking scouting,

Agreed

 

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

 

should not be punished,

Haven’t said that.

 

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

but the prudent approach of those other clubs should be ridiculed?

Or that. 

 

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Indifferent to what those monied clubs do, they are unfairly biased toward by design, but plenty of clubs stayed in this league during the FFP changed and did not fall foul of the changes.

Again, before the rules changed NONE of the other clubs in the Premier League had been competing with the top 6. Under Puel we’d been spending money well within our means to compete with the biggest clubs and we achieved that. None of the clubs anyone’s mentioned have had any trouble with PSR because they had been happy to just be in the league and stay comfortable. 

 

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

This is our club, but lack of credit where lack of credit is due.

As I said before. The club are culpable for a hell of a lot of things and should be held accountable. But you absolutely cannot have an honest discussion about the situation without considering the entire facts.

[Foxdiamond]

8 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think historically we've done more than Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford and we have been in the top 2 divisions longer. Produced greats like Banks, Shilton, Lineker etc. 

 

Whether the world is correctly informed is a different matter. 

What if Huddersfield got back in? Won the title 3 years running in the 20s or is that too historical? 

[Dan]

We really have got to ever stop giving the club 'any' benefit of the doubt. "He's still here because we're doing X". Sick of excuses. He's still here because we're owned by an oxygen thief.

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

What if Huddersfield got back in? Won the title 3 years running in the 20s or is that too historical? 

That's fine they have tradition, history, pedigree. Realistically Bournemouth and Brentford and never won anything and probably never will with the current structure, they are just there to make up the numbers in the cartel league. 

[urban.spaceman]

7 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Which is more of an us issue. I read we are the only club to ever spent more on wages collectively in the Premier League than our revenues. That’s including a whopping revenue increased due to good performance 

We’d spent money - within the rules - to reach the Champions League.

 

When the rules changed and the financial equation shifted - at the same time as a global pandemic and our failure to reach the Champions League - our revenue plummeted, which wouldn’t have mattered under the previous rules.

 

This whole hot mess is the perfect storm of specific and unique circumstances happening at the same time. It could ONLY happen to us. 

[urban.spaceman]

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

What if Huddersfield got back in? Won the title 3 years running in the 20s or is that too historical? 

There’s still 5 years of the 20s left - there’s still time for them to do it again 

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

That's fine they have tradition, history, pedigree. Realistically Bournemouth and Brentford and never won anything and probably never will with the current structure, they are just there to make up the numbers in the cartel league. 

We had won precious little up to 1997

[Foxdiamond]

Just now, urban.spaceman said:

There’s still 5 years of the 20s left - there’s still time for them to do it again 

What story that would be!

[UniFox21]

 

Wouldn't be against Carsley

 

Edited yesterday at 13:12 by UniFox21

[Soar Fox]

24 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Mate, you know most of the world doesn't see us any "bigger" than Fulham, Brighton, Bournemouth or Brentford, right? 

I think they do.

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said:

We’d spent money - within the rules - to reach the Champions League.

 

When the rules changed and the financial equation shifted - at the same time as a global pandemic and our failure to reach the Champions League - our revenue plummeted, which wouldn’t have mattered under the previous rules.

 

This whole hot mess is the perfect storm of specific and unique circumstances happening at the same time. It could ONLY happen to us. 

In the 20/21 and 21/22 seasons, we had our second and third highest revenues in the clubs history. 
 

 

[Pliskin]

4 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

 

Wouldn't be against Carsley

 

Wouldn’t mind Cesc either to be fair. Had a wet dream last night he had Puyol in his backroom staff….

[Jazzy_Jeff]

1 hour ago, Twitcher said:

Trouble is it could always be debated as to whether he's done an awful job or not. In other jobs, there's more direct accountability. Here, he's sending guys out to a job for him. I'm not sure anyone would get a Premier League quality tune out of this current group. 

I still think he needs to go.

IMO it’s a really easy job to gauge success in.

 

We are always told it’s a results business - make the contracts (and player wages whilst we’re at it) purely performance based 

[Foxin_Mad]

4 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

We had won precious little up to 1997

Couple of League cups is it Charity Shield? Still more than Bournemouth and Brentford though. 

 

There are unsuccessful clubs who I think have more about them just because of the players/history etc. Like Stoke with Matthews and Banks, they've never won anything except the League Cup.

 

We are one of the most successful clubs in the past 30 years, however we somehow managed to piss that up the wall. 

[Foxin_Mad]

6 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

 

Wouldn't be against Carsley

 

If this is the best they can do then honestly dont bother. 

[Dahnsouff]

17 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Again, before the rules changed NONE of the other clubs in the Premier League had been competing with the top 6. Under Puel we’d been spending money well within our means to compete with the biggest clubs and we achieved that. None of the clubs anyone’s mentioned have had any trouble with PSR because they had been happy to just be in the league and stay comfortable. 

Fair

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Couple of League cups is it Charity Shield? Still more than Bournemouth and Brentford though. 

 

There are unsuccessful clubs who I think have more about them just because of the players/history etc. Like Stoke with Matthews and Banks, they've never won anything except the League Cup.

 

We are one of the most successful clubs in the past 30 years, however we somehow managed to piss that up the wall. 

Under your criteria rather than break the cartel only clubs with previous honours or famous ex players should be in the top division. Palace have never won anything but could possibly win the cup. 

[Winstonthedog]

5 hours ago, AKCJ said:

It's absolutely insane that he's still here.

 

There's not a single reason to keep him. 

All true ... but the financial fuc# up .... Rudkin... Top and Whelan have managed to get the club into shows their incompetence... they also believe that throwing more money at lawyers to dig them out of a hole covers the mess .... if the EFL throw the book at them and it costs us short term then let's take it and hopefully the long term effect will see the back of some of those that got us here including players and we can then move forward to a club that appreciate its true supporters 

[Claudio Fannieri]

More and more starting to leak to mainstream media that a parting of the ways is inevitable, suggests to me talks are already happening to agree his pay off and terms of his departure, I really wouldn’t be shocked if announcement isn’t made either later today or tomorrow. 

[Finnegan]

Completely delusional if the club think Fabregas is coming here. 

 

Carsley would be a ****ing joke, just another vogue name with no experience. Manages England for two minutes and now he's the English Pep, ffs. 

 

And if we straight up copy Southampton's homework and hire Martin then Top and Rudkin need to be put in a rocket and hired in to the sun.