Madeleine McCann

[Zingari]

Eh... Zingari I think you better read ALL of my post again - only a bit more carefully this time.

Hopefully you will then see the point that I'm trying to make...

i don't profess to be a sleuth or particularly quick minded but , i can only assume that the point you were trying to make was either ;

a; you are putting a reasonably credible theory as to the events of the boy's death or

b; the collective gutter press could character assassinate anyone with innuendo and unsubstantiated rumour that would make anyone look guilty

(if its the latter, then points such as the father being a lowly paid supermarket worker living beyond his means could soon be disproven i believe he was a night shift manager )

[Bryn]

shite

rofl Right.

[Chandler]

Chandler your undoubted talent is clearly being wasted. Perhaps you should offer your services immediately to the Portugese and Merseyside Police. I'm sure your immense cerebral insight would be of considerable value to their investigations.

All compliments accepted, even ironic ones Yaxx.

I can assure you that I could add the square root of absolute zilch to what the Merseyside Police know about the shooting of Rhys Jones (it appears that both they and the whole of Croxteth already know who did it - the stumbling block APPEARS to be proving it).

As far as their Portuguese counterparts are concerned, if the PJ ever got their hands on me they would practice every conceivable abomination known to mankind on me before throwing my putrid cadaver to the shoals of rather large fish with massive razor like teeth that frequently gather off the Algarve coast.

I think you will agree with this unironic statement when I have completed my thesis on the Madeleine McCann disappearance - so stick around.

[Raj]

Chandler....me thinks you need to go for a walk and get some fresh air

[Chandler]

Chandler....me thinks you need to go for a walk and get some fresh air

Thanks for the advice Raj.

When I'm done here you'll need the fresh air too and you'll flee to the highest and most remote places to get it.

[Raj]

Thanks for the advice Raj.

When I'm done here you'll need the fresh air too and you'll flee to the highest and most remote places to get it.

PLEASE JUST LEAVE!!!!

[Chandler]

PLEASE JUST LEAVE!!!!

Raj, I don't quite know why you bother posting here.

If the whole subject of Madeleine McCann's disappearance bores and irritates you so much why don't you take your dull, incurious, negative self off to some other less controversial thread? Perhaps one that's a little more bespoke, more customised to your requirements.

Ideally one that hasn't got any writing on it at all - just those stupid, juvenile emoticons you use as word substitutes because you can't think of anything original, witty or intelligent to say. There again an emoticon only thread might be a bit too taxing for you, so it might be better to have one that's like the space between your ears...

BARE EMPTY BLANK

[Raj]

Raj, I don't quite know why you bother posting here.

If the whole subject of Madeleine McCann's disappearance bores and irritates you so much why don't you take your dull, incurious, negative self off to some other less controversial thread? Perhaps one that's a little more bespoke, more customised to your requirements.

Ideally one that hasn't got any writing on it at all - just those stupid, juvenile emoticons you use as word substitutes because you can't think of anything original, witty or intelligent to say. There again an emoticon only thread might be a bit too taxing for you, so it might be better to have one that's like the space between your ears...

BARE EMPTY BLANK

You do realise this is primarily a Football forum dont you????

But you are right actually,i shouldn't waste my precious time in this thread as you make it so tedious!!!!

Oh sorry you dont like emoticons do you???

Sorry!

[Geo V]

Raj, I don't quite know why you bother posting here.

If the whole subject of Madeleine McCann's disappearance bores and irritates you so much why don't you take your dull, incurious, negative self off to some other less controversial thread? Perhaps one that's a little more bespoke, more customised to your requirements.

Ideally one that hasn't got any writing on it at all - just those stupid, juvenile emoticons you use as word substitutes because you can't think of anything original, witty or intelligent to say. There again an emoticon only thread might be a bit too taxing for you, so it might be better to have one that's like the space between your ears...

BARE EMPTY BLANK

Harsh that fella. Raj has is own style and tries to keep these boards more fun but he does go into serious mode where need be.

[Raj]

Harsh that fella. Raj has is own style and tries to keep these boards more fun but he does go into serious mode where need be.

Forget it Geo ....me thinks that Chandler Geezer "is a bit funny' like!!!!

Oh Shit he doesn't like me using emoticons

[Geo V]

Forget it Geo ....me thinks that Chandler Geezer "is a bit funny' like!!!!

Oh Shit he doesn't like me using emoticons

Ive changed my mind, Raj is a twat.

[Raj]

Ive changed my mind, Raj is a twat.

[Rincewind]

I honestly don't know what to make of Chandler. I do not have time to unravel his mysterious ramblings but from the two storties he has posted on it appears he hilighting rich parents of Madeline and the poor parents of Rhys saying because of their social status and behavior reasons could be found for them to have committed the crime.

We all know what they are so I won't bore you by repeating them. I did not read all your post Chandler but did you say how long they had lived in the house (Rhys parents) and what if any the fathers previous occupation(s) were and how much was left on the mortgage? I believe your accumilitive posts are referring to misinformation, misleading information and misunderstanding by the general public that you believe to be all around us. I look forward to your conclusion in five years time.

I still don't get the half man thing. Maybe because I didn't recognise who the photo was.

Edited 20 October 2007 by Nightguard

[breadandcheese]

I'm assuming Chandler that the point you're making is that some people will believe any written cr#p and half baked theories. Throw in a bit of half-baked innuendo (in the story above the mother wearing a low-cut top, clearly a prostitute), even litter it with missed-placed logic even if it make no logical sense (in the example above the father killing the child to stop the child telling him what he already knows). Some people somewhere will believe it.

All remarkably similar to the Portugese police and their leaks to the Portugese media which has helped those to turn against the McCanns, with their stories such as Gerry not Madeleine's dad, or the McCann's drove the body about in their car and dumped it.

Going back to the Madeleince case. Although this may be in the news of the world, it comes from the mouth of Lord Stevens, who has a damn sight more credibility than many of us when arguing the conduct and inadequacies of the Portugese police. To those arguing that the Portugese police are not a bunch of useless incompetents and we should trust them to do their job, I suggest you have a read.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2110_madel..._innocent.shtml

[Floating Fox]

rofl Right.

I can't believe he's spent so much time making that!

I stopped at the first point when he said that they allowed the kid to walk home Unacompannied..

SO WHAT? Maybe thats whats wrong with so mnay people in this country, so worried about their kids getting hurt that they have to be by their side all the time. Thats why their obese, they all get picked up/taken to everywhere by the over-worried parents.

Sorry, point-less rant is now over.

Chandler, please stop posting on this forum.

P.s Burnham where did you get that kit from in your sig? :w00t:

[He's not bald]

I honestly don't know what to make of Chandler. I do not have time to unravel his mysterious ramblings but from the two storties he has posted on it appears he hilighting rich parents of Madeline and the poor parents of Rhys saying because of their social status and behavior reasons could be found for them to have committed the crime.

We all know what they are so I won't bore you by repeating them. I did not read all your post Chandler but did you say how long they had lived in the house (Rhys parents) and what if any the fathers previous occupation(s) were and how much was left on the mortgage? I believe your accumilitive posts are referring to misinformation, misleading information and misunderstanding by the general public that you believe to be all around us. I look forward to your conclusion in five years time.

I still don't get the half man thing. Maybe because I didn't recognise who the photo was.

All I know is there's a village somewhere that wants it's idiot back!

[l444ry]

I'm assuming Chandler that the point you're making is that some people will believe any written cr#p and half baked theories. Throw in a bit of half-baked innuendo (in the story above the mother wearing a low-cut top, clearly a prostitute), even litter it with missed-placed logic even if it make no logical sense (in the example above the father killing the child to stop the child telling him what he already knows). Some people somewhere will believe it.

All remarkably similar to the Portugese police and their leaks to the Portugese media which has helped those to turn against the McCanns, with their stories such as Gerry not Madeleine's dad, or the McCann's drove the body about in their car and dumped it.

Going back to the Madeleince case. Although this may be in the news of the world, it comes from the mouth of Lord Stevens, who has a damn sight more credibility than many of us when arguing the conduct and inadequacies of the Portugese police. To those arguing that the Portugese police are not a bunch of useless incompetents and we should trust them to do their job, I suggest you have a read.

<a href="http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2110_madeleine_parents_innocent.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2110_madel..._innocent.shtml</a>

Yet another retired policeman has been wheeled out to give his views on the McCanns, this time it is Lord Stevens, writing in the News of the World.

"“I’ve been a detective at the most senior level for 30 years and have never seen such a witch-hunt, or one based on such flimsy evidence.â€"

Which is odd, since Lord Stevens would have been a detective at the time of the links below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Four

http://www.criminal-information-agency.com...php?recordID=78

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2988488.stm

"“There’s absolutely no chance that the parents of Madeleine McCann would be charged with her murder in this country. It would be an outrageous miscarriage of justice if they were.â€"

Which is odd since I doubt Mr Stevens has seen anymore of the evidence than you or I. And we have already established that plenty of people get convicted of serious crimes in Britain that they have not committed, so to claim that the McCann's would not get treated in the same manner is a bold claim.

"He said Portuguese police should have immediately treated the McCanns as the prime suspects"

Which shows how closely Mr Stevens has been following things, because the McCanns were questioned on the night, and reports in the Portugese press (rubbished as insensitive smears) were dismissed - the British press prefering to focus on the abduction theory being pushed by John Buck, The McCann spin machine and a bunch of journalists who appears to have been incapable of finding an interpretor.

And Gerry McCann and members of the Tapas9 were questioned about a week later, and shortly afterwards Robert Murat was dragged into the investigation.

"“That police error has become their tragedy now, because if they had been properly investigated back then they may well have been cleared.â€"

Or the McCanns may well have been banged up in jail, (unlikely I know given the political pressure put on the police) but at least we know which side of the fence Mr Stevens is on.

"He believed abduction was the most likely possibility."

Based on what Lord Stevens? Fingerprints? Eye witness sighting? Tealeaves?

Of course we will be able to assess the qualities of Lord Stevens detective work, as he was the man who investigated Lady Diana's death: a case that is being assessed by inquest. It would create an interesting situation if the jury were to conclude that Lord Stevens is a man of straw and an establishment puppet.

Courtesy of Transfattyacid.....

[Chandler]

OK folks, I want to talk about a seemingly unrelated matter today. Those on this board who are quick off the mark (and there aren't many!) will quickly get the point I am making.

One of the few stories to sideline the very public grief of the McCanns was the killing of

eleven year old Rhys Jones on the 22nd August last...

outside the Fir Tree pub in Croxteth...

beloved by his 'salt of the earth' parents Steve and Melanie...

and mourned by the people of Liverpool and by viewers of BBC News 24 and Sky News...

at the time of writing his killer remains at large...

This is what the gutter press (are you watching Lemon Harpic?) would have us believe. Because, at this moment, the UK media has a collective bee in its bonnet about guns and gangs and gungs and gans (even white gungs!). Pause for half a second though, and you'll see that things aren't quite the way the hacks make them appear. In particular, it's worth noting that:

1) Rhys was allowed to go to (and return from) football practice UNACCOMPANIED in an area notorious for gang violence;

2) both parents claimed at their first police press conference that they had never been the victims of local violence, that they had never even witnessed any local anti social behaviour and, most improbably of all, that they had no knowledge of local gang warfare;

3) Melanie Jones behaved with extraordinary social ineptness at that police press conference appearing, at times, to carry on a private conversation with her husband instead of answering journalists' questions directly;

4) Steve Jones supplied an unusual timeline about his own movements on the night of the attack - he claimed he was instructed to go to the wrong hospital and only turned up at the right one after his son was pronounced dead;

5) Melanie Jones was inappropriately attired in a low cut smock when laying flowers at the scene of her son's shooting;

6) the Jones family occupy a desirable residence - too desirable, possibly, for a family whose main bread winner works night shifts for a superstore notorious for its slave wages;

7) the Jones's brazenly went against convention by staging a very public funeral outside their immediate locality and by allowing TV cameras to intrude on what should have been their own very private grief.

All of these observations are 100% accurate and are a matter of public record.

So what are we to make of all this and the fact that Rhys's killer has not yet been apprehended? I think the key to unlocking the Rhys case is point six - the Jones family were (and still are) living beyond their means. A night shift store worker couldn't possibly afford the mortgage on the Jones's property (to say nothing about the top of the range vehicles habitually parked both off and on road immediately in front of the house).

Tesco is a Scrooge employer - Steve Jones would have to work continuous 24/7 shifts to meet his financial commitments on their wages

The fact that Mr and Mrs Jones professed to know nothing about the local gangs suggests that they must be in cahoots with them. And gang activity, of course, centres principally around DRUGS. Were the Jones's both covering up their own PROFITABLE role in the LUCRATIVE local narco trade as well as protecting their suppliers and dealers?

Was this why Melanie appeared so inept at the press conference? Were her ostensibly ill judged remarks to her husband (NB 'You've lived here for 17 years...') really cues to prevent him from incriminating both themselves and others? But what has this to do with the murder of their son?

We all know that with drugs invariably comes something else - PROSTITUTION. Was Melanie Jones inappropriately attired at the floral tribute to Rhys because she simply didn't have time to get out of (and get back into) her work kit? Does her double life explain the unusually large number of vehicles constantly parked outside her home? And does her being 'on the game' also explain why she never had the time to ferry her son to training for the 'beautiful game?' But again, what has all this to do with the killing of Rhys?

OK, here's what happened. One day (possibly exactly one week before his shooting?) Rhys came back early from footie practice (because he was given a lift by his coach - a service he declined on the day he died according to The Sun) and he inadvertantly burst in on his mum with a client. He threatened to tell his father. She herself reported this incident to her husband (and pimp) and they both reluctantly agreed Rhys had to be silenced or the family faced ruin in Toxteth rather than ill gotten affluence in Croxteth.

A leafier part of Toxteth - not surprising Melanie and Steve Jones panicked!

Just before Rhys was shot, Steve Jones (while supposedly on his way to work) picked up a gun from a Croxteth Crew dealer and then drove on to Norris Green. There he met a member of the 'Noggsies' and offered him several grammes of crack to 'whack his lad' (half before, half on completion). He then phoned his wife and told her that the 'hit was on' and to get ready to go out and keen over the limp form of her son.

After the shooting, Steve rendezvoused with the 'Noggsy' (to collect the gun and pay him off) and then drove back to return the firearm to the 'Croggsy' (this essential detour accounts for the 'wrong hospital' alibi). Steve and Melanie Jones then went into McCann mode and fanned the flames of publicity. However, 'Mel J' realised that Kate McCann's widely (mis)perceived 'coldness' had alientated some of the public so she made sure she grieved in a very theatrical and over the top way (at least whilst in range of the cameras). But why the tacky funeral?

Cheesy Requiem in F flat minor - just the ticket to turn on the public waterworks

I believe this was a 'subtle risposte' to Boris Johnson who infamously opined in 'The Spectator' that Liverpool 'was a city hooked on grief' (in the wake of municipally sponsored wailing over Scouser Ken Bigley's beheading in Iraq by the late Al Qaeda thug, Abu Musab Al Zarqawi). The Jones's quickly realised that no journalist would be able to get away with such rabid anti Scouse sentiment second time round. So they made hay and invited the world and its mutt to turn up and emote in their football strips at Liverpool's cavernous Anglican Cathedral (world's sixth largest church apparently) thus securing the sympathy of a footie mad nation.

Celebrity Scousephile and apparent Evertonian, Boris

And then the masterstroke. The Jones's were almost certainly well aware of the McCanns biggest mistake - they had allowed Madeleine's disappearance to dominate the airwaves for so long that they gifted a bored media with an excuse to query their presumed innocence. So, after Rhys's funeral, Steve and Mel successfully requested a virtual media blackout of his case (except for timely and appropriate public appeals to find his killer on specialist shows like Crimewatch).

At this juncture, we must all ask ourselves how it is that not a single newspaper, radio show or TV news bulletin EVER reported the BLEEDIN' OBVIOUS version of events just described ? Now, Chandler wouldn't ask such a bleedin' obvious question if he couldn't come up with a bleedin' obvious answer would he?

Was it because 'gutter press' hacks on zees rag...

and zees one...

and zees one too...

couldn't follow zee Scousers' direzione to zee Merseyside 'Departamento de Policia Judiciaria?'

GEDDIT LIMONE HARPIC ET AL?

TO RAJ, STANDUPANDSING, HE'S NOT BALD AND ALL OTHER IDIOTS CURRENTLY ON VACATION FROM THEIR VILLAGES:

THE ABOVE POST WAS A SPOOF AND A VERY OBVIOUS SATIRE ON THE MADELEINE MCCANN CASE.

IT WAS DESIGNED TO SHOW HOW EASILY PEOPLE CAN BE TAKEN IN BY LUNATIC THEORIES.

YOU ALL FELL FOR IT, YOU ARE ALL GULLIBLE

[Zingari]

TO RAJ, STANDUPANDSING, HE'S NOT BALD AND ALL OTHER IDIOTS CURRENTLY ON VACATION FROM THEIR VILLAGES:

THE ABOVE POST WAS A SPOOF AND A VERY OBVIOUS SATIRE ON THE MADELEINE MCCANN CASE.

IT WAS DESIGNED TO SHOW HOW EASILY PEOPLE CAN BE TAKEN IN BY LUNATIC THEORIES.

YOU ALL FELL FOR IT, YOU ARE ALL GULLIBLE

some may have thought you were being serious with your theory, but "nobody" fell or believed the scenario you set, thereby making your argument that the masses are easily fooled, null and void , ( a subtle difference in any mccann conspiracy theory is that some people "do" believe it )

what you patently fail to realise is that a conspiracy theory only works if it is believable and fits in with known facts and not easily disproved (as with your spoof)

it was still a good try though

[Jon the Hat]

some may have thought you were being serious with your theory, but "nobody" fell or believed the scenario you set, thereby making your argument that the masses are easily fooled, null and void , ( a subtle difference in any mccann conspiracy theory is that some people "do" believe it )

what you patently fail to realise is that a conspiracy theory only works if it is believable and fits in with known facts and not easily disproved (as with your spoof)

it was still a good try though

Sadly that is not the case. Rubbish conspiracy theories often carry on in the face of all the evidence.

[Rincewind]

I thought the story too stupid to be believed. Saying 'Ok, heres what happened' gives an indication that this is what YOU believe. I pointed out an obvious faw in the story. This was only in the first paragraph or by which time I had given up and moved onto the next thread. It would even be rejected as a book or film script and there have been some ridiculous storylines in those genres. I did say it hilighted how stories can be put out and believed.

For example there was a story that the EU wanted to make all british bananas straight. I believe this was in the Mail and there was a huge uproar about it. I doubt that more than a handful of people believed it but it made good headlines and turned a few more prople against the present government which was their intention.

[Floating Fox]

Chandler, I did not 'fall for it' - I mocked you becasue That's something I expect you would have taken serious.

Not for one minute did I believe it!

[Christoph]

The parents did it obviously. It's all a big global conspiracy by the government to make us pay more tax so they can pay for rockets.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I think Maddy did it.

I'm just adding to all the other nonsense

[Chandler]

some may have thought you were being serious with your theory, but "nobody" fell or believed the scenario you set, thereby making your argument that the masses are easily fooled, null and void , ( a subtle difference in any mccann conspiracy theory is that some people "do" believe it )

what you patently fail to realise is that a conspiracy theory only works if it is believable and fits in with known facts and not easily disproved (as with your spoof)

it was still a good try though

Sorry Zingari,

But I seem to remember that you were first to react to my most recent epic with this:

superb chandler , that seems credible and obviously you have put much thought into it and perhaps it may be true ; but why have no other locals come out to discredit the parents lifestyles : (or do you think they have all been silenced ?)

surely more than just the boy had found out about his mother for as you point out ,lots of vehicles were regularly outside the house and the neighbours would surely be aware of this ;and as you said , the boy was only going to tell his father who already knew .

As for you Standupandsing... you stated that you didn't fall for the spoof because

'that's something I expect you would have taken serious.'

The problem with your theory of course is that it is WRONG because I invented this fiction first WORD to last and you FAILED to realise this.

Your bull headed 'mouth-off think later' knee jerk response blinded you to the whole point of the story.

And still does...