How Was Your Day?

[Rincewind]

Getting the bus into town each day to sign on, is surely better than sat at home with all them distractions like xboxes, daytime TV, catch up on demand, porn, weed, etc. You can still apply for jobs on your phone whilst on the bus, stop off at the library print some CVs and hand them in at potential suitors along the way. I think its a great idea.

Yes you  can apply for jobs on your phone if you have credit.  Yes you  can attend appointments  if the letters arrive  in time. Yes you can  apply on line if you are  computer savvy.  Yes you can use the sites they tell you to if the jobs are genuine.

When I signed on it was go in, hand the card to a security guy, have it signed and given a new card, go back out. I had an advisor on a work programme who used to call me up once a month, ask if there were any changes, when I said  no they said OK I'll call you in a month. The majority of the staff had accepted and even told me that it would  be  difficult to find a job at my age and with my lack of qualifications. Compa nies may not specify preferences because of the equality laws  but they do have a set requirement for the right candidate which may be half a dozr n in fifty plus applicants.

Some of the rules for applying for jobs that people are told are not applicable. But some people sign forms because they are told they will lose money if they do not.

You do not have to search every day. You do not have to attend the JC every day.  You do not have to use their preferred website job search. You do not have  to give them access to your email address. Unfortunately  there are those who fall for it. Those with learning difficulties. Those long employed facing redundancy for the first time. These are the ones that  are  most frequently sanctioned. The ones who play the system know what to do. Just enough so as to keep the JC staff happy. They cannot be touched so the staff go after the easy targets, the ones most easily scared off. This has been verifiedand proven by ex- Job centre staff and countless testomies by people that have been through it.

It seems from accounts I have seen  that the JC are less focussed on helping people find work. Iam all for catching the long term unemployed who cheat on benefits because they will probably have other ways of making up their money. The ones that suffer are the vulnerable because they are easy targets.

[Rincewind]

Did not realise my post was so long. Sorry for that. Maybe I should delete it now before everyone disagrees with it and says I am an idiot and dont know what I am talking about.

 

I did not mean to reply on that subject. Back to How Was My Day.

 

Last minute impulse I went over to Nottingham. Did part of their real ale trail.Salvation,  The Approach, The Roebuck and the Malt Cross where I had something to eat. In there 60% of  their profit from meals goes to charity which I thought was good.

 

Not checked yet  but this is the website http://www.maltcross.com/charity

 

Doing the Web site from memory.

Edited 28 May 2015 by Rincewind

[bovril]

Have a Birthday Scousy.

 

More like have a bath day in Liverpool.

 

*tumbleweed*

[Lamby]

re: Signing On.

How hard is it to sign up to an agency and get any job from office work to factory work?

 

It's not hard. It's a choice.

 

Very hard. Agencies are like one night stands; they get your details and never contact you again.

[Strokes]

Yes you can apply for jobs on your phone if you have credit. Yes you can attend appointments if the letters arrive in time. Yes you can apply on line if you are computer savvy. Yes you can use the sites they tell you to if the jobs are genuine.

When I signed on it was go in, hand the card to a security guy, have it signed and given a new card, go back out. I had an advisor on a work programme who used to call me up once a month, ask if there were any changes, when I said no they said OK I'll call you in a month. The majority of the staff had accepted and even told me that it would be difficult to find a job at my age and with my lack of qualifications. Compa nies may not specify preferences because of the equality laws but they do have a set requirement for the right candidate which may be half a dozr n in fifty plus applicants.

Some of the rules for applying for jobs that people are told are not applicable. But some people sign forms because they are told they will lose money if they do not.

You do not have to search every day. You do not have to attend the JC every day. You do not have to use their preferred website job search. You do not have to give them access to your email address. Unfortunately there are those who fall for it. Those with learning difficulties. Those long employed facing redundancy for the first time. These are the ones that are most frequently sanctioned. The ones who play the system know what to do. Just enough so as to keep the JC staff happy. They cannot be touched so the staff go after the easy targets, the ones most easily scared off. This has been verifiedand proven by ex- Job centre staff and countless testomies by people that have been through it.

It seems from accounts I have seen that the JC are less focussed on helping people find work. Iam all for catching the long term unemployed who cheat on benefits because they will probably have other ways of making up their money. The ones that suffer are the vulnerable because they are easy targets.

If you are 18-24 and don't know how to apply online, I think you would probably qualify for disability benefits.

[ScouseFox]

whey thanks for all the appy birthdees ladies x 

[Strokes]

Happy birthday scousefox.

[Rincewind]

If you are 18-24 and don't know how to apply online, I think you would probably qualify for disability benefits.

True. But I was referring to those who may have learning disabilities and if they go for an interview on their own they are not always made aware of their rights I think it depends on their background also.  There are many variable factors that could change an individual's situation.

[The Doctor]

whey thanks for all the appy birthdees ladies x 

 

This is far too coherent - sort it out lad. Happy birthday as well.

[orangecity23]

Happy birthday Scouse

[SystonFox]

Happy bday mate x

[BoyJones]

Just in time, happy birthday Scouse, hope your night is going brill. Tc.

[BoyJones]

Just back from football via pub. Played against 2nd in table who have scored 90 odd goals in 12 matches. We are mid table obscurity expecting a bit of a beating.

Turns out 3-0 to us from about 5 shots. Hanging on to a 1-0 lead for over 25 minutes, The old boy knocks a 20 year old off the ball, takes one touch and curls it in the corner, a la Messi. Ok maybe a bit over the top description, but even at my age still nice to win. Roll on next week.

[Alf Bentley]

Just back from football via pub.

 

The old boy knocks a 20 year old off the ball, takes one touch and curls it in the corner, a la Messi. Ok maybe a bit over the top description, but even at my age still nice to win. Roll on next week.

 

Was it a bit like this?

 

[The People's Hero]

i get the point there about keeping them in routine but for someone who has to get a bus ride to the job centre and cant claim it back on expenses seems....well rough aint the word!

also who picked that age demographic to aim for?!

Firstly, do you think all workers get their commute paid for ? Those are not work travel expenses - that is a commute !

Secondly, are you really suggesting the taxpayer should not only give you free money but also pay for you to go and sign on?

Wow.

[The People's Hero]

All this moaning about receiving benefits and getting sanctioned and how unfair the system is really highlights the need for an alternative. If only there were some kind of capitalist system in place whereby organisations or individuals (let's call them 'employers) existed who were willing to exchange something of universal value (let's call if money) for people (employees) to provide them with services ( let's call it work) ?

It really isn't that difficult to get a job. Make sure your cv is half decent ( not in terms of massive experience but well written, formatted, tidy, easy to read), ally for jobs and provide a tailored cv and covering letter, turn up on time for the interview, be smart, polite and stress your strengths when possible, stress you are desperate to get a job and will give it your all. Stress you're delighted to take a position on a probationary period and regularly interact with bosses on where you might improve and then undertake some of these improvements where needed and where free of charge. There is so much free training out there. If you come across as keen and willing to learn, any employer will want to train you and employers are usually thrilled to do so.

I've interviewed loads of people over the last 6 months, all not in work, I've offered training, professional qualifications etc etc etc. not one person has actually seemed bothered about having the job. I'm not having this argument that there are loads of people out there truly trying to get a job. If they were trying that hard and applying themselves with any real direction, they'd have jobs and provably progress quite nicely.

Easier to just keep picking up free money though.

My wife doesn't work (three kids) but will do again at some point. She can't claim any benefits at all. We have launched two businesses so now she has an income. One cost around 150 to get going, the other was completely free.

Everyone has a strength and something to offer ( if they can be bothered ). If being on benefits is so bad, and it really is impossible to get a job (can't see it but perhaps you interview terribly) then why not start your own business ?

[Finnegan]

There are people in the target age group here that don't know what a cv is or how to start writing one, who wouldn't know where to access PC and what to do with the cv even if you wrote it for them (I literally have.)

It probably will be easy for Al to get a job now with a bit of patience and determination. But he's an intelligent, middle class graduate. He paid attention in a school system that was catered for his ability and followed it through to its natural conclusion.

What about the kids that skived off school and got no GCSEs of note, left at 16, have no parental support (their parents could be lifelong claimants,) no community support and feel like they've literally got no chance of being employed?

It's alright to sit on a comfortable, middle class high horse as an employed thirty something with kids and a nice house, dismiss these people as chav scroungers and tell them they're lazy or thick. That doesn't get them in to work though, does it?

They can turn up once a year or five times a day to sign on, if the meeting isn't constructive it's a waste of their time, JCP time, everyone's time. Like it or not, there's a massive group of young people failed by the education system who do and will need hand holding and coaching in to employment.

Constructively.

[The People's Hero]

I perhaps didn't express myself very well. I described how to attempt to nail the job application process. The CV part, the job centre or whoever should really help with BUT there is loads of guidance online. Come on Finners - most of these people will have a smart phone and can google 'hoe to write a cv' and there remain computers presumably available for public use in libraries and job centres?

The skills are attainable and the help is ( or should be there ). If someone can't write a cv then what that basically equates to is they can't be bothered to learn. It takes a very short time to find a website and learn it.

Its easy for those who can't be bothered to claim those who did bother are 'on a high horse' and make it sound impossible to get to the same place but we all started from not having a job.

I just don't think we are talking about incredibly complex things here. It's a smart CV, a directed, tailored covering letter and turning up clean, smart and on time and seeming genuinely interested in the job. This is something I've got first hand experience of people completely failing to do.

Do any of those making out these things are really difficult to do actually have any genuine experience of hiring people? Serious question.

[The People's Hero]

Like it or not, there's a massive group of young people failed by the education system who do and will need hand holding and coaching in to employment.

Constructively.

Agreed. But do people actually want the help ?

Let's put it to the test. I'm happy to give that help on a personal and discrete basis free of charge. Private message me with what you'd like to do and a copy of your cv and proposed covering letter for type of position (obviously to be slightly tweaked each time). I will review and try to help out where I can

I suspect I won't get any interest and that is the point I'm driving at. The skills these people need are easily self taught and there is a tonne of resource out there. I'm happy to help genuinely if anyone is interested

I should point out I'm hardly a high earner myself, I just don't believe that any of this is rocket science.

[cambridgefox]

Off camping to Wing (Rutland) tonight.

[Strokes]

There are people in the target age group here that don't know what a cv is or how to start writing one, who wouldn't know where to access PC and what to do with the cv even if you wrote it for them (I literally have.)

It probably will be easy for Al to get a job now with a bit of patience and determination. But he's an intelligent, middle class graduate. He paid attention in a school system that was catered for his ability and followed it through to its natural conclusion.

What about the kids that skived off school and got no GCSEs of note, left at 16, have no parental support (their parents could be lifelong claimants,) no community support and feel like they've literally got no chance of being employed?

It's alright to sit on a comfortable, middle class high horse as an employed thirty something with kids and a nice house, dismiss these people as chav scroungers and tell them they're lazy or thick. That doesn't get them in to work though, does it?

They can turn up once a year or five times a day to sign on, if the meeting isn't constructive it's a waste of their time, JCP time, everyone's time. Like it or not, there's a massive group of young people failed by the education system who do and will need hand holding and coaching in to employment.

Constructively.

Do we owe them kids a living? Have we failed them, or their parents?

[leicsmac]

Do we owe them kids a living? Have we failed them, or their parents?

 

Not exactly, but look at it this way: as long as they are out of work they are what could be called a drain on the countrys resources, so helping them into work would benefit everyone in the long term.

[Finnegan]

Of course you won't get any interest advertising your help on foxes talk, most of our posters either work or are too young and the majority of both are computer literate nerds.

Of course putting a cv together and applying for a few jobs sounds absolutely simple to you or I. But we're not talking about you or I.

Do we owe them kids a living? Have we failed them, or their parents?

Who gives a **** what they're owed.

You want them in work you help them find work.

[Strokes]

Not exactly, but look at it this way: as long as they are out of work they are what could be called a drain on the countrys resources, so helping them into work would benefit everyone in the long term.

I think you should have to earn your benifits, after a prolonged period on job seekers. Litter picking, street washing, community projects and such. Nobody should be left to rot away and it would get some value back for the taxpayer. In return for the work they could get the benefits and enrolment onto a college course of their choice. If they needed to brush up on basic skills that could be made available, but you can't give them the option to do nothing, that helps nobody.

[leicsmac]

I think you should have to earn your benifits, after a prolonged period on job seekers. Litter picking, street washing, community projects and such. Nobody should be left to rot away and it would get some value back for the taxpayer. In return for the work they could get the benefits and enrolment onto a college course of their choice. If they needed to brush up on basic skills that could be made available, but you can't give them the option to do nothing, that helps nobody.

 

As long as the education and advice for further advancement was made available along with the work (the onus should be on them finding different employment ASAP and the help should be there for that) and the combined cost of the benefit and education courses they received was equal or higher to the minimum wage I'd agree with that. Otherwise it's just not strictly speaking legal.