How Was Your Day?

[Stadt]

Anyone posted about the bus crash in Coventry? Don't know the full details but a bus crashed into a crowd. In the VVC news report I am sure I heard someone shout out Janie Vardy at the start.

Janie Vardy is avinnnnn a parteh

[Alf Bentley]

Don't know when I'm going up to see my mum now. My brother's car is playing up and in the garage.

Anyway she is up and about and cheerful enough. We just have to hope the condition clears by itself.

If not then nature will take its course.

 

 

Good luck with all that, Ken. It's no fun dealing with the worries, uncertainties and hassles of having ailing, elderly parents, is it?

I've just spent another depressing long weekend away from home with my Dad (nearly 91, widowed, Parkinson's, living in isolation, almost given up).

 

As well as the sadness of his condition (and the absence of my Mum, who died 9 months ago), there's the hassle of dealing with all the medical/social care professionals.

In the last week alone, I've seen or spoken to: GP, social worker, 2 care workers, care supervisor, physio, speech/language therapist, district nurse & residence support manager.

There are then hospital specialists and others to be dealt with. It would be great if there was just 1 point of contact, supervising the overall health/care package.

 

Good luck, as I say. I suppose we should be grateful to have had parents who lived to old age, but it doesn't feel like much of a blessing at times.

[Alf Bentley]

Anyone posted about the bus crash in  Coventry?  Don't know the full details but a bus crashed into a crowd. In the VVC  news report I am sure I heard someone shout out Janie Vardy at the start.

 

 

Terrible incident. Apparently a skinny bloke wearing a stolen female bus driver's uniform sprinted up and hijacked a bus.

He then drove it into Sainsbury's at 50MPH singing "We hate Forest, we hate Derby and who the fvck are Coventry?!"

 

As the police led him away, he was shouting "I'm Janie Vardy and I'm having a party!" (that'll be the bit you heard)

 

I'm expecting late withdrawals from Roy Hodgson's England squad this week. 

Edited 5 October 2015 by Alf Bentley

[Rincewind]

Should have been JAMIE not Janie The N is nest to M on the keyboard and spellchecker did not know who I meant.

[Steven]

Good luck with all that, Ken. It's no fun dealing with the worries, uncertainties and hassles of having ailing, elderly parents, is it?

I've just spent another depressing long weekend away from home with my Dad (nearly 91, widowed, Parkinson's, living in isolation, almost given up).

 

As well as the sadness of his condition (and the absence of my Mum, who died 9 months ago), there's the hassle of dealing with all the medical/social care professionals.

In the last week alone, I've seen or spoken to: GP, social worker, 2 care workers, care supervisor, physio, speech/language therapist, district nurse & residence support manager.

There are then hospital specialists and others to be dealt with. It would be great if there was just 1 point of contact, supervising the overall health/care package.

 

Good luck, as I say. I suppose we should be grateful to have had parents who lived to old age, but it doesn't feel like much of a blessing at times.

 

There is; you.

[Alf Bentley]

There is; you.

 

 

That had occurred to me. In that case, I'd like to have a qualified assistant who did most of the work dealing with this vast array of health/care professionals.

It's almost becoming a full-time job, which is a bit of a problem as it's unpaid.... 

[Soar Fox]

Should have been JAMIE not Janie The N is nest to M on the keyboard and spellchecker did not know who I meant.

And the S is above the X.

[Rincewind]

Just saw a video of Cameron speaking in what I assume is a hotel room talking about 7 day NHS for working people. For a start it is the sick, disabled and elderly that mostly go to see doctors  and second many  doctors and nurses are already working 7 days often for 5 days pay.Does he think that repeating 'hard working people' in every speech will fool people with a subliminal message? 

[MooseBreath]

Just saw a video of Cameron speaking in what I assume is a hotel room talking about 7 day NHS for working people. For a start it is the sick, disabled and elderly that mostly go to see doctors and second many doctors and nurses are already working 7 days often for 5 days pay.Does he think that repeating 'hard working people' in every speech will fool people with a subliminal message?

So you don't think the NHS should be available to those of us who work office hours? You mean to say those of us who actually pay tax should be effectively barred from using the services that we pay for?

[Carl the Llama]

So you don't think the NHS should be available to those of us who work office hours? You mean to say those of us who actually pay tax should be effectively barred from using the services that we pay for?

He's saying healthcare workers shouldn't be abused to provide that service.  He's saying the tax you pay for those services with should be better used, hiring more medical workers for instance, instead of pushing them into the private sector or even a different country altogether (this is a view based on conversations with contemporary health professionals).  If you think that they should be expected to work unreasonable hours because 'it's a vocation' or something then maybe you should roll up your sleeves and get in there yourself, after all you clearly understand why it's so important to work long night shifts without getting any sleep and then be expected to stay on during the early morning shift instead of going home as rota'd without complaining about doing so. 

[Jon the Hat]

Just saw a video of Cameron speaking in what I assume is a hotel room talking about 7 day NHS for working people. For a start it is the sick, disabled and elderly that mostly go to see doctors  and second many  doctors and nurses are already working 7 days often for 5 days pay.Does he think that repeating 'hard working people' in every speech will fool people with a subliminal message? 

 

What on earth are you talking about Ken?  A 7 day NHS is a no-brainer.  Unless you have a sensible explanation why billions on pounds of hospitals should sit half empty for 28% of the time? 

[Jon the Hat]

He's saying healthcare workers shouldn't be abused to provide that service.  He's saying the tax you pay for those services with should be better used, hiring more medical workers for instance, instead of pushing them into the private sector or even a different country altogether (this is a view based on conversations with contemporary health professionals).  If you think that they should be expected to work unreasonable hours because 'it's a vocation' or something then maybe you should roll up your sleeves and get in there yourself, after all you clearly understand why it's so important to work long night shifts without getting any sleep and then be expected to stay on during the early morning shift instead of going home as rota'd without complaining about doing so. 

 

All good points, but I don't think Ken made any of them.

 

Do you go shopping at weekends?  Think about the terrible working hours of those shop workers who have days off during the week instead of the weekends!!!  Its a travesty.

Edited 5 October 2015 by Jon the Hat

[Guest MattP]

Why on earth would anyone not want a seven day NHS?

[Rincewind]

I never said that. Cameron mentioned it should be available to working people. A better choice of words would  be 'everyone'

Can you not see how his phraseology leads people to think that certain groups do not matter. A 24/7  would be great if doctors and nurses had the right pay structure and were not overstretched. I see that you have been taken in by 'those that pay taxes' line. We all pay or have paid taxes. I paid 40 odd years into the system. Many term ally ill people with cancer dementia etc have or do pat  NI. It is taken out at source. When   he says 'working people' he is speaking to the converted.

By the way it was Tony Blair that first used the phrase so I am not just Tory bashing.

[MooseBreath]

He's saying healthcare workers shouldn't be abused to provide that service. He's saying the tax you pay for those services with should be better used, hiring more medical workers for instance, instead of pushing them into the private sector or even a different country altogether (this is a view based on conversations with contemporary health professionals). If you think that they should be expected to work unreasonable hours because 'it's a vocation' or something then maybe you should roll up your sleeves and get in there yourself, after all you clearly understand why it's so important to work long night shifts without getting any sleep and then be expected to stay on during the early morning shift instead of going home as rota'd without complaining about doing so.

I would have thought a seven day working proposition would automatically imply additional staff rather than expecting staff to work additional hours.

Even so I've no doubt we've got a flurry of strikes to look forward to when NHS staff demand thousands of pounds for working the odd weekend.

Fundamentally health care should be a 24/7 thing because illnesses and injuries don't follow a neat timetable and those of us who work office hours really do struggle to use any of the services we pay for. Complaining about never been able to see a doctor is a regular complaint around my office. I wouldn't be surprised if lives have been lost because doctors refuse to work the odd weekend. Surely that's unethical.

[ScouseFox]

it should be 24/7. the fact that people working 9-5 have to wait weeks just to see a gp who will then tell you to wait a few more weeks before you can see someone who will actually try and fix whatever is wrong with you is ridiculous. 

 

people who work 9-5 can do all kinds of things after work or on weekends. things that require staff like going shopping or going to a gym. they can do them 24 hrs a day 7 days a week but they can't go to the doctors because the doctors can't be arsed staying open? 

 

bloody joke i tell ya. 

[Rincewind]

All good points, but I don't think Ken made any of them.

 

Do you go shopping at weekends?  Think about the terrible working hours of those shop workers who have days off during the week instead of the weekends!!!  Its a travesty.

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many  doctors and nurses are already working 7 days often for 5 days pay

 

A 24/7  would be great if doctors and nurses had the right pay structure and were not overstretched.

 

Disabled and sick people also have partners that work who have to take them to see their GP  and appointments. It would have been better for him to say that  24/7   should be made available to all including those that are unable to go during the present hours.

 

Do you not see the difference? Words and how they are put across can have all sort of interpretations and I just thought because he has used 'hard working people' so many times to defend cuts to services and other measures affecting the disabled termally  ill and low income families, that it was a poor choice of words. 

Edited 5 October 2015 by Rincewind

[Jon the Hat]

Just saw a video of Cameron speaking in what I assume is a hotel room talking about 7 day NHS for working people. For a start it is the sick, disabled and elderly that mostly go to see doctors  and second many  doctors and nurses are already working 7 days often for 5 days pay.Does he think that repeating 'hard working people' in every speech will fool people with a subliminal message? 

 

 

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many  doctors and nurses are already working 7 days often for 5 days pay

 

A 24/7  would be great if doctors and nurses had the right pay structure and were not overstretched

 

You are quoting things you said after my post?  You should be in politics Ken!

 

You first post was a whinge about now based on little actual fact.

[Rincewind]

it should be 24/7. the fact that people working 9-5 have to wait weeks just to see a gp who will then tell you to wait a few more weeks before you can see someone who will actually try and fix whatever is wrong with you is ridiculous. 

 

people who work 9-5 can do all kinds of things after work or on weekends. things that require staff like going shopping or going to a gym. they can do them 24 hrs a day 7 days a week but they can't go to the doctors because the doctors can't be arsed staying open? 

 

bloody joke i tell ya. 

I agree but it is the same for everyone. What hours do you think doctors work now? Those in hospital can work up to 70-80 hours a week. Doctors and nurses are going other countries where conditions are better.

As I said my point was NOT AGAINST 24/7 but the way that Cameron said it excluding a vast majority of people who also  cannot get to see a doctor 9-5. His 'hard working people ' line is over used now.

[Guest MattP]

Be honest Ken you saw Cameron and just went into a rant without really thinking about it.

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

Be honest Ken you saw Cameron and just went into a rant without really thinking about it.

 

This precisely. Amazed he hasn't yet got around to posting the Cameron-holding-piglet photo for this latest non-story

[Carl the Llama]

All good points, but I don't think Ken made any of them.

 

Do you go shopping at weekends?  Think about the terrible working hours of those shop workers who have days off during the week instead of the weekends!!!  Its a travesty.

Working weekends is my reality and my hours are pretty horrendous now that you mention, where's the strike action taking place?

 

I would have thought a seven day working proposition would automatically imply additional staff rather than expecting staff to work additional hours.

Even so I've no doubt we've got a flurry of strikes to look forward to when NHS staff demand thousands of pounds for working the odd weekend.

Fundamentally health care should be a 24/7 thing because illnesses and injuries don't follow a neat timetable and those of us who work office hours really do struggle to use any of the services we pay for. Complaining about never been able to see a doctor is a regular complaint around my office. I wouldn't be surprised if lives have been lost because doctors refuse to work the odd weekend. Surely that's unethical.

Agreed, it should be, so surely elementary economics dictates that the necessary funds should be made available to employ the number of people required instead of applying more pressure to an already overworked and dwindling talent pool as everyone talented enough buggers off to a different country the second their obligatory years in the NHS have passed.  Complain all you like, it's no more unethical than you standing up for your right not to be coerced into inhumane working hours.  We should all have a right to easily accessible healthcare, but we have to accept that doctors and nurses are humans with fiscal obligations of their own and stop expecting them to be the paragons of virtue that we aren't. 

[Carl the Llama]

My day's been amusing - spent the morning trying to find the owner of an adventurous chicken which had somehow made its way into our front garden from a few roads down.

[Rincewind]

Be honest Ken you saw Cameron and just went into a rant without really thinking about it.

It is precisely because I thought about it that I went into a 'rant' as you called it. 

Which is better?

24/7 healthcare should be made available to sick people.

24/7 healthcare should be made available to working people

24/7 healthcare should be made available to everyone.

 

Think about it.Imagine Cameron was a Labour MP and put your favouriteism to one side for a moment.

 

I need a doctor for my microwave. Its lighting up inside now. That is my meal gone for tonight and tomorrow.

[Guest MattP]

It should be made available for all which is what he is trying to do.

God forbid a government actually tries to do something for the tax payer.

Sorry about your microwave, but you can still eat something without one.