How Was Your Day?

[cambridgefox]

Is it really beyond people these days to apply for six jobs and write them down without someone having to guide them through it?

or just doing the bare minimum to get the JSA.if I was in that situation I would spend all day applying to all of the fooking jobs.

[Rincewind]

Amyway what I am saying is that some of the staff don't need much of an excuse to sanction people. They have to tick boxes for figure keeping. And how Lamby gets away with it I cannot guess. And like above people have been done for the slightest thing.

[Guest MattP]

or just doing the bare minimum to get the JSA.if I was in that situation I would spend all day applying to all of the fooking jobs.

 

You would hope so wouldn't you?

 

Amyway what I am saying is that some of the staff don't need much of an excuse to sanction people. They have to tick boxes for figure keeping. And how Lamby gets away with it I cannot guess. And like above people have been done for the slightest thing.

 

Obviously not enough of one, "the slightest thing" ie claiming Job Seekers Allowance when not applying for jobs, we can all see what's happening Ken with these people.

[Rincewind]

or just doing the bare minimum to get the JSA.if I was in that situation I would spend all day applying to all of the fooking jobs.

Even if you fill your form in like a good boy if uou are asked tto an interview to see an adviser they can suggest a job which you must apply for even if its completely unsuitable and if you don't they'll sanction you. Not having the skills or experience is not a good enough excuse.

Occasionally they suggest a job that does fit your skills and quite rightly you should apply for it.

But those that don't know the game suffer the most as they are honest and only apply for jobs that they are qualified for or feel that they can do efficiently to their new employers satisfaction.

Edited 10 September 2013 by Rincewind

[Guest MattP]

Even if you fill your form in like a good boy if uou are asked tto an interview to see an adviser they can suggest a job which you must apply for even if its completely unsuitable and if you don't they'll sanction you. Not having the skills or experience is not a good enough excuse.

Occasionally they suggest a job that does fit your skills and quite rightly you should apply for it.

But those that don't know the game suffer the most as they are honest and only apply for jobs that they are qualified for or feel that they can do efficiently to their new employers satisfaction.

 

It shouldn't be either.

 

Sometimes people do get jobs after making an impression at an interview, no one really knows a job they go for externally or what skillset they will need, their will always be a new system to have to pick up that takes weeks or maybe months, new contacts to make, new people to deal with.

 

Why do these people think they should be treated with such exaggerated respect just because they don't think they might be able to get a job they should apply for? I'm pretty the staff aren't asking them to apply for positions at NASA.

Edited 10 September 2013 by MattP

[lavrentis]

Mates flying in tonight so he obviously cant move in when he gets here so he's staying round mine. Gonna go meet him at 3.40 am

[Soar Fox]

Even if you fill your form in like a good boy if uou are asked tto an interview to see an adviser they can suggest a job which you must apply for even if its completely unsuitable and if you don't they'll sanction you. Not having the skills or experience is not a good enough excuse.

Occasionally they suggest a job that does fit your skills and quite rightly you should apply for it.

But those that don't know the game suffer the most as they are honest and only apply for jobs that they are qualified for or feel that they can do efficiently to their new employers satisfaction.

If you know you are unsuitable for a job that they put forward for you couldnt you still apply for it as they want. Then have the interview and whstever else then leave it for the employer to tell you you are unsuitable for the job.

At least that way you have done everything the adviser has told you to do.

[Captain...]

If you know you are unsuitable for a job that they put forward for you couldnt you still apply for it as they want. Then have the interview and whstever else then leave it for the employer to tell you you are unsuitable for the job.

At least that way you have done everything the adviser has told you to do.

Of course you could do, but that is not going to help you get a job and you are wasting time going for a job that you have no chance of getting, time which could be spent looking for suitable jobs.

Also rincewind was clearly saying that people were being sanctioned for not going to job interviews they didn't know they were supposed. If my understanding is correct if the JSA give you a recommended job, you have to go to the interview, if you don't you get sanctioned. Now if they don't tell you about this and then sanction you for not going, regardless of suitability you can't blamed, and it is not right to sanction for not doing something they didn't know they were supposed to do.

Edited 10 September 2013 by Captain Pancake Face

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Settling in to our new house in Groby

Beaut so far

Fvcking world away from the Narborough Road part of Leicester we were living before

[Soar Fox]

Of course you could do, but that is not going to help you get a job and you are wasting time going for a job that you have no chance of getting, time which could be spent looking for suitable jobs.

Also rincewind was clearly saying that people were being sanctioned for not going to job interviews they didn't know they were supposed. If my understanding is correct if the JSA give you a recommended job, you have to go to the interview, if you don't you get sanctioned. Now if they don't tell you about this and then sanction you for not going, regardless of suitability you can't blamed, and it is not right to sanction for not doing something they didn't know they were supposed to do.

But if you get sanctioned for not applying for jobs that they tell you to, you might as well just apply for it even if you know you aren't suitable for it. At least that way they can't stop your money as you are doing exactly what is expected of you.

[cambridgefox]

Settling in to our new house in Groby

Beaut so far

Fvcking world away from the Narborough Road part of Leicester we were living before

Glad to hear mate.

[Captain...]

But if you get sanctioned for not applying for jobs that they tell you to, you might as well just apply for it even if you know you aren't suitable for it. At least that way they can't stop your money as you are doing exactly what is expected of you.

 

But the point Rincewind was making is that he knows someone who got sanctioned for not attending a job they hadn't told him to.

 

As a rule though you should be trying to find a job, not jumping through ridiculous hoops to make sure you don't lose your benefits.

Edited 10 September 2013 by Captain Pancake Face

[Guest MattP]

But the point Rincewind was making is that he knows someone who got sanctioned for not attending a job they hadn't told him to.

 

As a rule though you should be trying to find a job, not jumping through ridiculous hoops to make sure you don't lose your benefits.

 

[Lamby]

Glad he's taken the pi55 as it's unlikely he'll ever get a p45 as you have to STOP working before you can get one of those.

 

I have a P45

 

If Lamby quit his job his JSA would have stopped for a couple of months at least. I;ve heard from a good source that some people have been sanctioned for not applying for jobs they were not told to apply for or even knew was available.

 

I wasn't on JSA before Comet, it was about 2 months after

[Corky]

Either Lamby is a comedy genius or the most beyond help person I have ever came into contact with.

 

He's definitely of the "All publicity is good publicity" opinion.

[Mike Oxlong]

I have a P45   

Jeez mate, that's a badge of honour for you.

[Jon the Hat]

I am sure there are some job centre staff who

Play the system to get their quota, but I am also sure the vast majority of people who are sanctioned deserve it and the system is worthwhile.

[kingfox]

Lamby have you ever had your benefit stopped for a year?

[kingfox]

Don't tell me. You're taking up the new post of the Archbishop of Banterbury.

 

Might actually bang that on my C.V.

 

But nah, gonna do paintings with potato shapes.

[Lamby]

Lamby have you ever had your benefit stopped for a year?

 

3 months is the most

[The Year Of The Fox]

I managed to sleep a bit earlier though i had to put the CH on as ibwas shivering. So after waking up piss wet through in swrat I dozed off for a bit longer then thought I'd get up and beat my 6am alarm clock. To find its still 'yesterday'

Unbelievable, i went to bed less that 2hours ago.

[Rincewind]

If you know you are unsuitable for a job that they put forward for you couldnt you still apply for it as they want. Then have the interview and whstever else then leave it for the employer to tell you you are unsuitable for the job.

At least that way you have done everything the adviser has told you to do.

I agree. I got done but was naive. After a suggestion I checked up on it. Glen Parva Young Offenders Prison. I looked at the duties and thought no way would I get the job. I could not see my self escorting young blokes who may have been in for all sorts of violent offences. If one came at me with a knife I would be putting myself and fellow officers lives in dangerl I wasn;t trying get away from the job part of it would have been OK. I just thought there would be other applicants younger fitter maybe ex army or with experience in this type of roll and had done a senior officer role. I was using logic and being sensible.

A few weeks later I was asked to see someone. I explained mt reasons and after filling out a form she said she;d pass it on.

The ones who decide sit in an office in Birmingham so all they saw was a form with suitable job did not apply. They could not see me if they had they may have thought differeny. I appealed and the lawyer I saw said no way I would have been right but as I said that is not a good enough reason. The ones that decide dont use common sense all the time.

From then on I applied for anything and they were happy. I got a reply for a care worker job once but unfortunately I dont speak Punjabi so never got it.

[Guest MattP]

Jesus.

You spend time telling us all you want the Bulger killers released but you wouldn't apply for a job at Glen Parva in case a little toerag ran at you?

[The People's Hero]

Jesus.

You spend time telling us all you want the Bulger killers released but you wouldn't apply for a job at Glen Parva in case a little toerag ran at you?

 

I agree. I got done but was naive. After a suggestion I checked up on it. Glen Parva Young Offenders Prison. I looked at the duties and thought no way would I get the job. I could not see my self escorting young blokes who may have been in for all sorts of violent offences. If one came at me with a knife I would be putting myself and fellow officers lives in dangerl I wasn;t trying get away from the job part of it would have been OK. I just thought there would be other applicants younger fitter maybe ex army or with experience in this type of roll and had done a senior officer role. I was using logic and being sensible.

A few weeks later I was asked to see someone. I explained mt reasons and after filling out a form she said she;d pass it on.

The ones who decide sit in an office in Birmingham so all they saw was a form with suitable job did not apply. They could not see me if they had they may have thought differeny. I appealed and the lawyer I saw said no way I would have been right but as I said that is not a good enough reason. The ones that decide dont use common sense all the time.

From then on I applied for anything and they were happy. I got a reply for a care worker job once but unfortunately I dont speak Punjabi so never got it.

 

There would have been an interview and selection process for this job, so why not let the interviewers and bosses decide whether or not you were suitable for the position (you know, the people who's responsibility it is to make that call) rather than you deciding? 

 

The system is there for a reason. You broke the rules. Same rules for everyone so you cannot complain. 

 

Its not a complicated system is it? You were on JSA (JOB SEEKER'S ALLOWANCE) so its your responsibility to seek a job. After all applications were in, the selection process begins and in theory the most suitable/qualified person gets the job.

 

When you start allowing those claiming benefits to decide which jobs are suitable for them, you are in trouble (since the answer is invariably 'none' )

[Finnegan]

I'm sorry but get ****ed if you're saying you'd show up for a job interview if you had sod all chance of getting it. It'd be awful, embarrassing, humiliating, exactly the sort of things you don't need when you're long term unemployed.

Ken is essentially retirement age, you seriously think he's going to be considered for a prison officer? Even low security? Don't be soft.

Lets be honest, there's very little he will be considered for. I know you're most likely just trolling the bloke in which case, fire away.

But seriously worrying if either of you genuinely believe half the shit you give him over jobseeking.