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Rincewind

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There would have been an interview and selection process for this job, so why not let the interviewers and bosses decide whether or not you were suitable for the position (you know, the people who's responsibility it is to make that call) rather than you deciding? 

 

The system is there for a reason. You broke the rules. Same rules for everyone so you cannot complain. 

 

Its not a complicated system is it? You were on JSA (JOB SEEKER'S ALLOWANCE) so its your responsibility to seek a job. After all applications were in, the selection process begins and in theory the most suitable/qualified person gets the job.

 

When you start allowing those claiming benefits to decide which jobs are suitable for them, you are in trouble (since the answer is invariably 'none' )

Yes I should have applied. it's in the rules. But I would not even got to the interview stage. The job also required a drivers license which I do not have. I do not have self-defense qualifications which would be required nor a senior officer qualification.. I did not have the qualifications for the job. The woman at the job centre fecked up when selecting it and did not research fully. I only found out when I looked on the website to fill the application form in. I could not fill in because one of the first questions was do you have a drivers license?

What I was saying is that the ones that make the decision on appeal do not see the person so for anything like a physical job cannot make a fair assessment. I was not avoiding looking for other work. If I had seen the vacancy in the Mercury I would have dismissed it just as quick. So what is the difference. I know myself better than someone who may see me once a month or someone behind a desk ticking boxes 40 miles away.

 

I just did not know that it was a game and I had to play along however stupid the rules can get.

 

Matt if you look at the Bulger thread you will see that I did not say I wanted the killers released. But I do not make the decisions. There are people that have studied and know him. I do not have the qualifications so it doesn't matter what I think. I'd like him to rot in jail for what its worth.

 

Correction. A little toerag with a knife that could put other peoples lives in danger. Is that not a reasonable dangerous  situation to take into account?

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Guest MattP

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I'm sorry but get ****ed if you're saying you'd show up for a job interview if you had sod all chance of getting it. It'd be awful, embarrassing, humiliating, exactly the sort of things you don't need when you're long term unemployed.

Ken is essentially retirement age, you seriously think he's going to be considered for a prison officer? Even low security? Don't be soft.

Lets be honest, there's very little he will be considered for. I know you're most likely just trolling the bloke in which case, fire away.

But seriously worrying if either of you genuinely believe half the shit you give him over jobseeking.

Why not?

He's got numerous years in security. He's 60 not 80.

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Dan LCFC

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But the point Rincewind was making is that he knows someone who got sanctioned for not attending a job they hadn't told him to.

 

As a rule though you should be trying to find a job, not jumping through ridiculous hoops to make sure you don't lose your benefits.

 

So they should.

 

I was on JSA for a while and anyone who can't even get through that has got no chance. I'm not at all proud of the fact I was on it, but it was not hard to stay on it at all.

 

Working's far better. Far less depressing lifestyle.

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Rincewind

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Before that I think my longest time out of work was 3 months when I was 16 so never qualified for JSA or whatever it was. So I was not aware like the long term employed that there were hoops in place. I know better now and would advise others that may find themselves in the position just to jump through the bloody hoops.

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I know someone who went for a job as a prison guard, they accepted about 10 people through the interview process then he went on a 8/9 week course which was very intensive both physically and mentally, not sure if its the same for every prison but theres no way someone who isnt extremely fit could have lasted the course.  He told me even a cage fighter was struggling to get through the course.

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Fox92

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I was on JSA for a short time (yeah I know how bad and degrading it is), and at one time I didn't go for a job they put forward, so I got penalized. A ban from payments. But I didn't care too much because I got a job a few weeks later which I applied for directly (without the use of jobcentre).


 


I understand how easy it is to stay on it, even if someone doesn't want to work. I had to produce evidence that I had applied for three jobs a week, and it wasn't exactly strict. You could get away with making it up.


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Soar Fox

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I'm sorry but get ****ed if you're saying you'd show up for a job interview if you had sod all chance of getting it. It'd be awful, embarrassing, humiliating, exactly the sort of things you don't need when you're long term unemployed.

Ken is essentially retirement age, you seriously think he's going to be considered for a prison officer? Even low security? Don't be soft.

Lets be honest, there's very little he will be considered for. I know you're most likely just trolling the bloke in which case, fire away.

But seriously worrying if either of you genuinely believe half the shit you give him over jobseeking.

But what's the alternative having your JSA allowance stopped for a couple of months?

It might be wrong but it sounds like you've got to play the system a bit and do everything they ask of you.

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TPH is right in principle - if they identify a job you have to apply for then you should apply for it.  Anyone who ever had a job knows that there are daft processes which make no sense, and sometimes you just have to get on with it.  The fact that some job centres / staff are crap doesn;t mean you shouldn't apply.

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I'd still apply for the jobs, you need to toughen up a bit, if you feel embarrassed applying online to a job you are not qualified for then that is your problem. If they don't think you are qualified then you won't get past the online application which usually means you just get a standardised e-mail or nothing at all. Hardly humiliating.

 

If you are actually invited to interview then that means they are potentially willing to employ you so you don't really need to worry about anything.

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Dan LCFC

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I was on JSA for a short time (yeah I know how bad and degrading it is), and at one time I didn't go for a job they put forward, so I got penalized. A ban from payments. But I didn't care too much because I got a job a few weeks later which I applied for directly (without the use of jobcentre).

 

I understand how easy it is to stay on it, even if someone doesn't want to work. I had to produce evidence that I had applied for three jobs a week, and it wasn't exactly strict. You could get away with making it up.

 

 

Did you just admit to not applying for that job?

 

I'd not have bothered. They bought absolutely everything I said without even checking, not saying I lied regularly on it but they are so easy to con it's unreal. I know this is stupid - but one week I actually completely made a job up, made the company up and everything, just to see if they bought it, and they did lol I have no idea how anyone manages to get penalised by them.

 

The JobCentre were utterly useless anyway. I was on the Work Programme and I thought my advisor there was a load of crap too if I'm honest. The job I'm in now came through my uncle finding it and simply applying and getting it. One bit of info he found out did more for my career than ages woth of JobCentre 'advice'.

 

Given my history, I'm in no position to mock the unemployed because I was unemployed myself for ages, but there need to be far bigger steps brought in to combat the parasites because mark my words, it's easy as fvck to get away with.

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Soar Fox

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It's ****ing shit and not worth it. Would be so much easier if I wasn't here at all.

Well why don't you go and do something about it then. Money makes the world go round, without it you can't do anything.

Get yourself a job, save some money travel the world. You'll be meeting new people, see some amazing sights.

There's a lot more to see in the world than going down The Valley every other Saturday afternoon. You are the only person who can change, it's just upto you whether you want to or not.

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Well why don't you go and do something about it then. Money makes the world go round, without it you can't do anything.

Get yourself a job, save some money travel the world. You'll be meeting new people, see some amazing sights.

There's a lot more to see in the world than going down The Valley every other Saturday afternoon. You are the only person who can change, it's just upto you whether you want to or not.

 

I'm trying to do something about it, but I'm still not getting anywhere. I just give up now. Nothing good will ever happen to me, I'm trapped in my own mind and it's making me crazy.

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It's ****ing shit and not worth it. Would be so much easier if I wasn't here at all.

 

I'd give anything to be back at your age, honestly you have no idea the opportunity and chances you have in front of you at the minute.

 

Well why don't you go and do something about it then. Money makes the world go round, without it you can't do anything.

Get yourself a job, save some money travel the world. You'll be meeting new people, see some amazing sights.

There's a lot more to see in the world than going down The Valley every other Saturday afternoon. You are the only person who can change, it's just upto you whether you want to or not.

 

Spot on.

 

I'm trying to do something about it, but I'm still not getting anywhere. I just give up now. Nothing good will ever happen to me, I'm trapped in my own mind and it's making me crazy.

 

Give up? From what you have posted on here you have hardly tried anything already.

 

You need some work, if you try hard enough, dress nicely, smile, be polite and be prepared to do a bit of hard work, you'll get one very soon. London as well which is a huge advantage as you don't even need to drive to get around.

 

After you have done that you will be able to socialise, you can sign up to dating sites if you aren't that confident in chatting the girls up and you can start enjoying some nice food, company and enjoying your free time rather than being bored. You'll make relationships with people that will stand you in good stead and that will help you to keep developing yourself in life.

 

When you do that more and more opportunities will open to you and you may even start travelling the World and broadening your horizons in ways you can't even begin to imagine now.

 

Thats the best blueprint I can give you in two minutes but go down that road in some way, shape or form and you'll start to feel a lot happier.

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