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extreme world (marseille).

Looks like a hell hole.

france aint violent though.

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Marseille is unusual.

But to say it's violent is like saying that Leeds or Bradford are violent when they have a racially fueled riot.

Marseille is a very large city full of character and life - and of course characters and life are good and bad.

Marseile is Birmingham but closer to North Africa.

You really shouldn't base all your opinions on shock TV programmes. It would be like Saying Leicester was a violent city because you saw a guy kung fu kick a traffic warden in the head after spitting in his note book.

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You honestly think marseille is no worse than bradford or birmingham....lol...you're kidding yourself....however I'm not surprised most people in england seem to think things are worse here than anywhere else which is completely incorrect but it seems a uniquely english thing to do...knock your own country....I assume your an expat therefore making it even harder for you to criticise the country you moved to rather than praise the one you left...

Do birmingham or bradford have similiar drug murder rates than new york....not even close.

Marseille: Europe's most dangerous place to be young

To understand Marseille catch a bus – bus number 30 from the Bougainville metro station. The route starts at the northern terminus of the metro system, five kilometres from the city centre. It winds past motorways, factories, unofficial rubbish tips and a 10th-century monastery.

France's second city sprawls for another 10 kilometres over ridge after ridge of limestone hills. Each is crowned by a white citadel gleaming in the Mediterranean sunshine which, as the bus approaches, turns into a group of shabby tower blocks.

Up to the 1960s, these were the scrubland and the hard-scrabble villages of the Marcel Pagnol novels set in the early part of the century. Fragments of the Provençal villages can still be seen. The "garrigue", or scrub, survives on the jagged mountains which crowd in from the east. But Marius, Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources and their descendants have long gone. My fellow passengers on the 45-minute ride to La Savine, one of the northernmost estates, are a blend of North Africans, Africans, Asians and Roma.

The bus passes through the poorest districts of the poorest city in France. Almost 40 per cent of people who live here are below the poverty line, compared to 26 per cent in Marseille as a whole and 15 per cent nationally. In the richer, mostly white, areas south of the city centre, the risk of dying before the age of 65 is 23 per cent below the national average. In north Marseille, it is 30 per cent higher than the French average.

If you are a teenage boy or young man from northern Marseille, you risk dying long before the age of 65. Fifteen young men, mostly from the city's northern districts, have been shot dead this year as part of a war for the lucrative franchise to sell drugs – mostly cannabis and cocaine – to the people from the wealthier parts of the city and the suburbs.

In fact, there have been almost as many killings of young men in the first nine months of 2012 as in the whole of last year. Proportionally, Marseille (population 800,000), now has almost as many drug-related murders as New York (population 8,000,000). Eyeing the issues, the French government has announced emergency action this month to stop the city, which will be the "European capital of culture" from January, from claiming title of the European capital of youth murder.

At the end of the bus ride to La Savine, I met Rachida Tir, leader of the estate's resident's association. "For seven years now we have been losing our young men," she said. "This is not just about drug trafficking. That alone cannot explain the killing."

"There is a suicidal instinct, a desperation in some of these boys. It starts with failure and rejection at school and the lack of jobs. They see no future. They live for the present, in a world of easy money and, now, violence."

Earlier this month, Samia Ghali, the mayor of the 15th and 16th arrondissements of Marseille, which embrace most of the poor northern districts, detonated a verbal bombshell. She said that the drug-related violence in northern Marseille had become so extreme that only the army could defeat it. She called on the government to deploy troops to confiscate the cheap automatic weapons flowing in from the Balkans and North Africa and to interrupt a drug trade which is, she says, conducted with impunity.

Ms Ghali, a child of northern Marseilles like Zinedine Zidane and Eric Cantona, admits that her proposal was mostly a "cry of alarm". "I was born and grew up here. I know what I'm talking about," she said. "I can no longer stomach seeing children that I have known since they were born drilled with holes. I cannot forget the distress of the girlfriend of [a recent victim] who found him shot 30 times. It is time to stop the massacre." Ms Ghali, a Socialist, berates the attitude of some politicians and commentators – including the centre-right mayor of Marseille Jean-Claude Gaudin - who dismiss the murders as "règlements de compte" ("tit-for-tat killings" or "a turf war"). "By using that kind of language, you're saying that these murders – and murder is the right word – are separate from polite society or the law," she said. "You are saying, 'let them kill each other'." Back in the busy, friendly centre of Marseille – a different planet from Bougainville and La Savine – I met Laurent Gaudon, a lawyer who has represented families of the victims. He also disputes the phrase "turf war". "Often it is not clear why these kids are dying," he said. "In one case I had last year a boy of 17 was shot because he had been disrespectful to another young man. The killer wanted to prove that he was tough enough to be in a drug gang." Marseille has always had gangland killings, Mr Gaudon said. "This is the city of the French Connection. All the organised crime of the Mediterranean basin passes through here – Corsicans, Sicilians."

In the late 1990's the police dismantled the biggest of the old crime gangs. Since then the kids in the poorer estates have gradually taken over the local drugs trade. "The old gangsters had a code of honour but not the new ones," Mr Gaudon said. "The kids can buy guns for next to nothing and they use them for next to nothing."

Ms Ghali's call for military intervention was dismissed as absurd by local and national politicians of Left and Right. It was, all the same, hugely successful. Within days, the government had drawn up an action plan to "rescue Marseille". The interior minister, Manuel Valls, and justice minister, Christiane Taubira, were in the city last week to set up a new "priority security zone" in the northern districts. There are to be 230 extra police officers and – for the first time in any French city other than Paris – a proper city police chief or "Prefect de Police". The Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, has also promised the city the political and economic weight it needs to become a thriving "mediterranean metropolis".

The population within the city boundary is relatively poor. Many richer people – the great grand-children of Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources – have moved out to the suburbs. This is the reverse of the usual French pattern where the cities are well-heeled and the inner suburbs poor and troubled.

Mr Ayrault this week appointed another Prefect with the Herculean brief to dissolve local political jealousies and create a single, political and economic agglomeration, reconnecting Marseille with its rich satellite towns. He might begin by trying to dissolve the boundary between first and third worlds which begins at Bougainville metro station. "We have been abandoned. Forgotten," said Rachida Tir. "Most people here want to live decent, legal lives. But what choices do they have?"

A local mayor said that the drug-related violence was so extreme only the army could defeat it.

No doubt you'll keep defending France....thats coo, l but in this case your incorrect and I'll leave you to have the last word....which I'm sure you will.

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You honestly think marseille is no worse than bradford or birmingham.... lol...you're kidding yourself....however I'm not surprised most people in england seem to think things are worse here than anywhere else which is completely incorrect but it seems a uniquely english thing to do...knock your own country....I assume your an expat therefore making it even harder for you to criticise the country you moved to rather than praise the one you left...

Do birmingham or bradford have similiar drug murder rates than new york....not even close.

Marseille: Europe's most dangerous place to be young

To understand Marseille catch a bus – bus number 30 from the Bougainville metro station. The route starts at the northern terminus of the metro system, five kilometres from the city centre. It winds past motorways, factories, unofficial rubbish tips and a 10th-century monastery.

France's second city sprawls for another 10 kilometres over ridge after ridge of limestone hills. Each is crowned by a white citadel gleaming in the Mediterranean sunshine which, as the bus approaches, turns into a group of shabby tower blocks.

Up to the 1960s, these were the scrubland and the hard-scrabble villages of the Marcel Pagnol novels set in the early part of the century. Fragments of the Provençal villages can still be seen. The "garrigue", or scrub, survives on the jagged mountains which crowd in from the east. But Marius, Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources and their descendants have long gone. My fellow passengers on the 45-minute ride to La Savine, one of the northernmost estates, are a blend of North Africans, Africans, Asians and Roma.

The bus passes through the poorest districts of the poorest city in France. Almost 40 per cent of people who live here are below the poverty line, compared to 26 per cent in Marseille as a whole and 15 per cent nationally. In the richer, mostly white, areas south of the city centre, the risk of dying before the age of 65 is 23 per cent below the national average. In north Marseille, it is 30 per cent higher than the French average.

If you are a teenage boy or young man from northern Marseille, you risk dying long before the age of 65. Fifteen young men, mostly from the city's northern districts, have been shot dead this year as part of a war for the lucrative franchise to sell drugs – mostly cannabis and cocaine – to the people from the wealthier parts of the city and the suburbs.

In fact, there have been almost as many killings of young men in the first nine months of 2012 as in the whole of last year. Proportionally, Marseille (population 800,000), now has almost as many drug-related murders as New York (population 8,000,000). Eyeing the issues, the French government has announced emergency action this month to stop the city, which will be the "European capital of culture" from January, from claiming title of the European capital of youth murder.

At the end of the bus ride to La Savine, I met Rachida Tir, leader of the estate's resident's association. "For seven years now we have been losing our young men," she said. "This is not just about drug trafficking. That alone cannot explain the killing."

"There is a suicidal instinct, a desperation in some of these boys. It starts with failure and rejection at school and the lack of jobs. They see no future. They live for the present, in a world of easy money and, now, violence."

Earlier this month, Samia Ghali, the mayor of the 15th and 16th arrondissements of Marseille, which embrace most of the poor northern districts, detonated a verbal bombshell. She said that the drug-related violence in northern Marseille had become so extreme that only the army could defeat it. She called on the government to deploy troops to confiscate the cheap automatic weapons flowing in from the Balkans and North Africa and to interrupt a drug trade which is, she says, conducted with impunity.

Ms Ghali, a child of northern Marseilles like Zinedine Zidane and Eric Cantona, admits that her proposal was mostly a "cry of alarm". "I was born and grew up here. I know what I'm talking about," she said. "I can no longer stomach seeing children that I have known since they were born drilled with holes. I cannot forget the distress of the girlfriend of [a recent victim] who found him shot 30 times. It is time to stop the massacre." Ms Ghali, a Socialist, berates the attitude of some politicians and commentators – including the centre-right mayor of Marseille Jean-Claude Gaudin - who dismiss the murders as "règlements de compte" ("tit-for-tat killings" or "a turf war"). "By using that kind of language, you're saying that these murders – and murder is the right word – are separate from polite society or the law," she said. "You are saying, 'let them kill each other'." Back in the busy, friendly centre of Marseille – a different planet from Bougainville and La Savine – I met Laurent Gaudon, a lawyer who has represented families of the victims. He also disputes the phrase "turf war". "Often it is not clear why these kids are dying," he said. "In one case I had last year a boy of 17 was shot because he had been disrespectful to another young man. The killer wanted to prove that he was tough enough to be in a drug gang." Marseille has always had gangland killings, Mr Gaudon said. "This is the city of the French Connection. All the organised crime of the Mediterranean basin passes through here – Corsicans, Sicilians."

In the late 1990's the police dismantled the biggest of the old crime gangs. Since then the kids in the poorer estates have gradually taken over the local drugs trade. "The old gangsters had a code of honour but not the new ones," Mr Gaudon said. "The kids can buy guns for next to nothing and they use them for next to nothing."

Ms Ghali's call for military intervention was dismissed as absurd by local and national politicians of Left and Right. It was, all the same, hugely successful. Within days, the government had drawn up an action plan to "rescue Marseille". The interior minister, Manuel Valls, and justice minister, Christiane Taubira, were in the city last week to set up a new "priority security zone" in the northern districts. There are to be 230 extra police officers and – for the first time in any French city other than Paris – a proper city police chief or "Prefect de Police". The Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, has also promised the city the political and economic weight it needs to become a thriving "mediterranean metropolis".

The population within the city boundary is relatively poor. Many richer people – the great grand-children of Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources – have moved out to the suburbs. This is the reverse of the usual French pattern where the cities are well-heeled and the inner suburbs poor and troubled.

Mr Ayrault this week appointed another Prefect with the Herculean brief to dissolve local political jealousies and create a single, political and economic agglomeration, reconnecting Marseille with its rich satellite towns. He might begin by trying to dissolve the boundary between first and third worlds which begins at Bougainville metro station. "We have been abandoned. Forgotten," said Rachida Tir. "Most people here want to live decent, legal lives. But what choices do they have?"

A local mayor said that the drug-related violence was so extreme only the army could defeat it.

No doubt you'll keep defending France....thats coo, l but in this case your incorrect and I'll leave you to have the last word....which I'm sure you will.

Maybe I wasn't too clear in my response but you seem to have misunderstood completely.

All Western countries have cities with drug problems, gangs, racial problems and no go areas etc...

France - that's the country - is NO worse or more violent than England.

Your argument that because I've lived in Both countries that my opinion is flawed is ludicrous especially coming from someone who has clearly ONLY lived in England and gets all his news about France from media outlets - and those media outlets are predominantly in not entirely non-French based.

Your assumptions about me are on the whole as wrong as your view of France but clearly you need to live a little before you are in a position to open your mind and use experience to think for yourself.

Still if I look on foreign TV today about England and I was a narrow minded, media led, ignorant youth I'd believe that England was a country of child abducting, sexual perverts. But I'm sure you won't understand the point I'm making here either.

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last OT post. If you don't live in a country your view is based on what you read and hear.

http://www.telegraph...ious-gangs.html

http://www.time.com/...2087701,00.html

And I used B'ham as an example because of it's size compared to Marseille, a list of known gangs in B'ham area:

  • B19 Hustlers
  • B21 Bang Bang
  • B515 (B5 and B15)
  • Birmingham's Most Wanted (BMW)
  • Boss Crew
  • Burger Bar Boys (BBB)
    • Blood Brothers
    • Ghetto Hustla Boys (GHB)
    • Handsworth Town Crooks (HTC)
    • Raleigh Close Crew (RCC)
    • Real Man Dem (RMD)
    • Small Heath Mans (SHM)

    [*]Champagne Crew

    [*]Fire Town Crew (FTC)

    • Up to Date Crew (UDC)

    [*]Flava

    [*]Handsworth Nigga Squad

    [*]Inch High Crew

    [*]Johnson Crew

    [*]Kashmirir Mesereahs

    [*]Lynx

    [*]Panthers (MBP)

    [*]Park Village Crew (aka Second City Crew)

    [*]Pendeford Crew

    [*]Raiders

    [*]Reans Crew

    [*]Redheads

    [*]Shere-e-Punjab

    [*]SLASH (Stay Loyal And Stay Humble)

    [*]SOD B12 / Sodom Soldiers

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Not having Sky doesn't mean you have to watch x factor. You're the man of the house, lay down the law!

Year in year out you read about sob stories, reformed druggies, and people going mad on Facebook because such and such can't sing.

Dross tele

Wrestled the remote back from the mother-in-law then, Stu lol

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Not having Sky doesn't mean you have to watch x factor. You're the man of the house, lay down the law!

Year in year out you read about sob stories, reformed druggies, and people going mad on Facebook because such and such can't sing.

Dross tele

X Factor is pretty bad too

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Just watched a film called Gamer. Bit crap really Another futuristic film about a reality game show where volunteer cons play in a video game of shoot and kill and the main character who is in prison for a murder he did not commit eventually escapes and is chased by the baddies who want him dead.

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