What grinds my gears...

[Captain...]

People talking about their own dreams, there is nothing more dull than other people's dreams, except maybe other people's drug stories, so dull...

...mine on the other hand are awesome.

Edited 22 October 2012 by Captain Shrapnel

[Rincewind]

I thought Moosebreath was saying 9-5 jobs are for the uneducated and started to respond but I also disagree that all no 9-5 jobs are shit. Sometimes the work demands varied working times. You cannot walk out of a job into another these days. The industries are not about.

Leicester have lost the hosiery, engineerin and shoes just to name three.

A good job to have these days is a pawnbroker. They are doing great business at the moment.

[Captain...]

Fvcking McAfee security virus crap, fvck off you piece of crap, would rather have a fvcking virus.

[marty78]

Fvcking McAfee security virus crap, fvck off you piece of crap, would rather have a fvcking virus.

I'm trying to use the online file back-up feature right now and it's fvcking me about saying it can't verify me.

[Parafox]

There are a few respectable jobs which don't abide by the 9-5, but let's face it, the vast majority of non 9-5 jobs are shit and populated by people who should have tried harder in school.

Mmmm...

Doctors, nurses, fire crews, ambulance staff, police, train drivers, the surgeon who will fix your broken face,

[MooseBreath]

Mmmm...

Doctors, nurses, fire crews, ambulance staff, police, train drivers, the surgeon who will fix your broken face,

All fall into the "a few respectable jobs" category

[DB11]

All fall into the "a few respectable jobs" category

Not really because they're quite varied. I'd say there are more than a few.

[Captain...]

All fall into the "a few respectable jobs" category

What exactly is an unrespectable job?

Anyone who works hard for a living to provide for their family and contribute to society has a respectable job in my eyes, as opposed to bankers/injury claims lawyers/politicians/salesmen all 9-5 jobs, mainly done by utter shitebags.

[MooseBreath]

What exactly is an unrespectable job?

Anyone who works hard for a living to provide for their family and contribute to society has a respectable job in my eyes, as opposed to bankers/injury claims lawyers/politicians/salesmen all 9-5 jobs, mainly done by utter shitebags.

You're getting caught up in the details captain, you have to look at the bigger pie vis a vis time, extra, command, leadership.

[cambridgefox]

What exactly is an unrespectable job?

Anyone who works hard for a living to provide for their family and contribute to society has a respectable job in my eyes, as opposed to bankers/injury claims lawyers/politicians/salesmen all 9-5 jobs, mainly done by utter shitebags.

Bloody hell,I've had seat time in two of those listed.

[Captain...]

Bloody hell,I've had seat time in two of those listed.

Proving my point

I guess I should clarify that by bankers, I mean city boy cvnts that irresponsibly gambled other people's money and helped foster a culture of greed paid for on credit, you can any of those payday loan fvcknuckles to that, and salesmen, I'm sure there are decent honest salesmen who don't lie, but I am pretty sure they are crap at it and so get fired leaving a bunch of morally bereft cvntsticks, that will sell their own company up the shitter if it means hitting their targets.

Seriously though the biggest cvnts I've met are white collar 9-5ers.

[Rincewind]

I think by un-respectful jobs he means the shitty jobs nobody else will do because they are above 'that sort of work' 'Leave those jobs for the scum of society.' is what he means.

Edited 22 October 2012 by Nightguard

[MooseBreath]

I think by un-respectful jobs he means the shitty jobs nobody else will do because they are above 'that sort of work' 'Leave those jobs for the scum of society.' is what he means.

I wouldn't say "scum" necessarily but uneducated, unskilled, workshy and feckless are fair words to use there. And yes I am above doing shit jobs because that's what working hard to become a skilled in demand professional gets you. It's a path which is open to everyone, too, so let's not get into the whole opportunity complex shit.

[Captain...]

I wouldn't say "scum" necessarily but uneducated, unskilled, workshy and feckless are fair words to use there. And yes I am above doing shit jobs because that's what working hard to become a skilled in demand professional gets you. It's a path which is open to everyone, too, so let's not get into the whole opportunity complex shit.

Unskilled doesn't mean workshy, there will always be a need for unskilled work to be done, bins don't empty themselves and hospitals don't clean themselves, someone who works 40 hours a week on unskilled tasks is no more or less hardworking than someone who sits in front of a computer for the same amount of time.

This is the problem you seem to be labelling all non office workers as lazy.

[Corky]

Fvcking McAfee security virus crap, fvck off you piece of crap, would rather have a fvcking virus.

Kaspersky is so much better.

McAfee and Norton were pretty awful.

[MooseBreath]

Unskilled doesn't mean workshy, there will always be a need for unskilled work to be done, bins don't empty themselves and hospitals don't clean themselves, someone who works 40 hours a week on unskilled tasks is no more or less hardworking than someone who sits in front of a computer for the same amount of time.

This is the problem you seem to be labelling all non office workers as lazy.

They're not all lazy, some of them are just thick

[Captain...]

They're not all lazy, some of them are just thick

But that is no reason for hating them, what is better, honest and hardworking stupid people, or lazy intelligent people who bend the rules?

[MooseBreath]

But that is no reason for hating them, what is better, honest and hardworking stupid people, or lazy intelligent people who bend the rules?

I don't hate them. I appreciate the role they play. They are the salt of the earth.

[purpleronnie]

I don't hate them. I appreciate the role they play. They are the salt of the earth.

Yeah, lazy scummy thick salt.

[Jon the Hat]

Unskilled doesn't mean workshy, there will always be a need for unskilled work to be done, bins don't empty themselves and hospitals don't clean themselves, someone who works 40 hours a week on unskilled tasks is no more or less hardworking than someone who sits in front of a computer for the same amount of time.

This is the problem you seem to be labelling all non office workers as lazy.

I am going to take exception to this comment. Yes lots of jobs are hard work, but actually it often takes a lot more effort to get to a professional position than it does to get to a menial one. Work hard at school and university, study up to 20+ hours a week for months at a time on top of working 50+ hours to get a qualification and then regularly put in unpaid overtime, working evenings and weekends. Nothing worth having is easy, and it is not just about having the brains to be able to achieve something.

We all know plenty of people who complain about their wage when they were out enjoying themselves for the years when we were working hard to get to where we want to be.

Edited 22 October 2012 by Jon the Hat

[Soar Fox]

I'm a electrical engineer who went college for 3 years but works 3 shifts. Am I unskilled and work shy? My girlfriend works in retail 9-5 so does that make her skilled?

[Captain...]

I am going to take exception to this comment. Yes lots of jobs are hard work, but actually it often takes a lot more effort to get to a professional position than it does to get to a menial one. Work hard at school and university, study up to 20+ hours a week for months at a time on top of working 50+ hours to get a qualification and then regularly put in unpaid overtime, working evenings and weekends. Nothing worth having is easy, and it is not just about having the brains to be able to achieve something.

We all know plenty of people who complain about their wage when they were out enjoying themselves for the years when we were working hard to get to where we want to be.

No surprise there, but as Moosebreath said, some people are thick, some people are just unable to achieve the grades academically, whether it is a genetic thing, or down to lacking certain stimulus as part of their upbringing, so they just didn't develop enough to be able to achieve anything.

Or there are some people who did all the study and hard work but found there were no jobs at the end of it, or their industry changed in such a way that their skill set became redundant over night, imagine if you had dedicated all your life to R&D in mini disc technology, or as an RPG programmer and everyone is moving to Java, you are too old to retrain, so you just get a job doing unskilled work until you retire. A similar thing happened to a colleague of mine, after 30 years in the IT industry this particular market collapsed she was out of a job, so went to work on the tills in M&S.

Or you could be like me, coasted through life, never put any real work or effort in, drifted along from job to job, took a year off to go travelling, took 3 years off to go and live in Spain, still find myself at the age of 31 earning the equivalent of a 6 figure salary.

My point is your sweeping generalisations just show up your ignorance, unskilled job doesn't mean you are work shy, and being work shy doesn't mean you have an unskilled job.

Edited 22 October 2012 by Captain Shrapnel

[Captain...]

I'm a electrical engineer who went college for 3 years but works 3 shifts. Am I unskilled and work shy? My girlfriend works in retail 9-5 so does that make her skilled?

Nope, but certain people have massive chips on their shoulders, and believe they are entitled to more than they have, even when they have more than most, and enjoy putting people down to make them feel better about themselves.

[z-layrex]

I don't think you can always just rank people as either lazy or not lazy though, human beings are complex. I don't know about you guys but I have days at work where I really try hard and other days I just can't be bothered to do more than what I need to.

[21st Century Fox]

I knew a biochemist who'd spent years on his Phd and ended up baking bread in a patisserie in Waitrose because there just weren't any jobs available in his industry at the time.