Finnegan Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 Oh and while we're crying over games that never make these lists.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 But FF6 and 10 are both in there... when clearly 7 is the best. Where was the chocobo racing in 10? There, I rest my case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 I must have overlooked 6. I only saw Tactics and 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 Glad Tactics was in there though. Was never officially released over here, but I played the US version on my chipped PS1. Much like Parasite Eve, which was a very good Square game that never made it over here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 And Portal is a great game and tons of fun, but far too short to be considered a classic. It's almost a mini game and was made as an after thought accompaniment to HL2. They did go for what they thought was the 'best', and I assume that they went with games that were the most fun for them. It could just be a gut feeling, nostalgia, wow-effect or a range of factors, we don't know. Deus Ex is in there, much lower down, but it is essentially the same game mechanics as Bioshock (and System Shock 2), being a FPS in which you can mod your abilities. So using their own rules, both shouldn't be in there? I always take these things with a pinch of salt - they always favour the most recent releases because they are fresh in the mind. This is true of competions where the competitors are marked by judges. Often the last to go get higher scores. It's #25. Quite high up actually. I don't think they've favored new games on this list. They've largely explained their choices and they name a whole host of games that are quite obscure and old. I like that they've also picked games on the basis of atmosphere, score and graphics/aesthetics in combination with gameplay. I think that the 'gameplay snobs' tend to overlook the importance of aesthetics and think that gameplay is the be all and end all of games. A bit of balance is good and I guess that's why a game like Bioshock is higher up than Deus Ex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 Well that's just the problem with games and music - ten minutes after the list is done you go, "HOW THE **** DID I FORGET THAT!?!" I stand by SS2 though. Bioshock is prettier but not a patch storywise - SS2 is the scariest game I've ever played. It has psychic monkeys! (Which I believe clinchs it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 Graphics can be pretty vital, really. I mean Silent Hill 2 was bedwettingly scary in it's prime, try and play it these days and it's just funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 I would say that visuals have very little to do with horror - the scariest things are what you don't see and which are imagined. SS2 was superb at this. Blood and guts does not make for scary, just gory. This goes for films too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 2 April 2011 Share Posted 2 April 2011 I don't disagree. But a certain level of immersion is ruined when you're giggling at a dated, pixelated mess. I think the Fatal Frame series has aged far, far better than Silent Hill for exactly the reasons you state. Subtle > gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phube Posted 2 April 2011 Author Share Posted 2 April 2011 I played it as a kid on the N64 and didn't struggle at all, might say more about you than the controls! I actually think it was a pretty good interface, simple A and B use combined with the C-pad. I liked it. PS, this was the tits: To be fair I played it after Wind Waker. I don't mean the control layout, the manoeuvrability of Link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 Well that's just the problem with games and music - ten minutes after the list is done you go, "HOW THE **** DID I FORGET THAT!?!" I stand by SS2 though. Bioshock is prettier but not a patch storywise - SS2 is the scariest game I've ever played. It has psychic monkeys! (Which I believe clinchs it.) I think you're just going on personal tastes there, really. I think Bioshock's story appeals to me far, far more. And while I'm very, very cautious of overhyping any writer's "intelligence," anyone that argues that the 'twist' in Bioshock isn't absolutely inspired is playing down one of the most clever pieces of writing in gaming history. You almost want Atlas to breach the Fourth Wall, point at the gamer and smirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Arm Babba Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 Tetris is muck. Why no Goldeneye? Where is Secret of Mana? Crap list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxchop Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 Might not be everyone's cup of tea but Microprose Soccer, Jet Set Willy, Manic Miner, Goldeneye and most of all Monkey Island are missing. Glad Grim Fandango got a mention class game. Love Portal but by todays standards it's a snippet of a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 I think you're just going on personal tastes there, really. I think Bioshock's story appeals to me far, far more. And while I'm very, very cautious of overhyping any writer's "intelligence," anyone that argues that the 'twist' in Bioshock isn't absolutely inspired is playing down one of the most clever pieces of writing in gaming history. You almost want Atlas to breach the Fourth Wall, point at the gamer and smirk. Would you kindly admit that SS2 is better than Bioshock!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 Would you kindly admit that SS2 is better than Bioshock!? Tennebaum's saved me, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James18 Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 Metal Gear isn't top and the have put GTA IV higher than San Andreas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O62VCySLoFo \o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zubi Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 @ the kirby song One of the best songs to come from a computer game has to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 Tetris is muck. Why no Goldeneye? Where is Secret of Mana? Crap list number 69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 @ the kirby song One of the best songs to come from a computer game has to be I can sense an entirely new thread once I've had a chance to think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 I can sense an entirely new thread once I've had a chance to think... Looking forward to it! Will go into thinking mode as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zubi Posted 3 April 2011 Share Posted 3 April 2011 Also looking forward to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 April 2011 Share Posted 4 April 2011 I would say that visuals have very little to do with horror - the scariest things are what you don't see and which are imagined. SS2 was superb at this. Blood and guts does not make for scary, just gory. This goes for films too. OMG shut up about Systemshock 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 4 April 2011 Share Posted 4 April 2011 No <_< If you've play it AND Bioshock you would know that Bioshock is System Shock with better graphics but not so much atmosphere. Bioshock is a great game, but SS2 is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 April 2011 Share Posted 4 April 2011 No <_< If you've play it AND Bioshock you would know that Bioshock is System Shock with better graphics but not so much atmosphere. Bioshock is a great game, but SS2 is better. I have played both Bioshock is much better IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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