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The "do they mean us?" thread

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Haydos

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Are people not getting that shoulder barges aren't fouls but pushes in the back are?

 

They are not the same kind of challenge.

 

Vardy shoved him, not shoulder barged him. Also I'm pretty sure shoulder barges are fouls if they're unnecessary or don't challenge for the ball.

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Woollett's Wellies

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For me....Rafael is on the wrong side of Vardy and knows he's in trouble....There's a strong shoulder charge, (or whatever you think it was)........Rafael goes down appealing and looses just enough reaction time to react because the ref doesn't blow! Vardy turns inside the box and Rafael is faced with tackling him from the side or behind it's a very risky choice and a player of his experience shouldn't have let himself get to that point. .....Vardy gets contact and goes down.....Some you get and some you don't. This time we got.

The lesson....Kids footbal 101. Play to the whistle.......Kids football 102. If you make a tackle in the box make bloody sure you do it right!

However. I was surprised Clattenburg didn't blow for the free kick in the first place. It's interesting that reports of the giant Man U dressing room bust up afterwards quote 'several Man Utd players as criticising Rafael.'

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 It's interesting that reports of the giant Man U dressing room bust up afterwards quote 'several Man Utd players as criticising Rafael.'

You got any links to these reports? Have to say I wouldn't be happy with him if I was his teammate, very naive on the day for Ulloa's goal and the pen and it's good their players know what's going on and aren't just blaming the ref.

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Vardy made more contact with Rafael than he made with Vardy. I agree that they are different types of contact, but really we were very lucky to get the second goal.

 

As 2 isolated incidents in isolated games they can both go either way and nobody would really mention it, but the fact that Vardy outmuscles Rafael, and seconds later goes down under less contact just shows the inconsistency in refereeing. You can't allow Vardy to muscle Rafael off the ball and not then allow Rafael to make the slightest contact. It was also cynical/clever/cheating from Vardy to see Rafael coming and manufacture the contact, but he went down easily, this is a fact, he didn't dive, but he engineered the contact in such a way that he didn't need to dive. He made sure Rafael charged into him when he was off balance, and it took him off his feet, but it is not something I want to see in football and I really hope he doesn't get a reputation for this as he will draw a lot of genuine fouls, but refs will be looking for him making the most of contact and we may not get a deserved penalty in the future.

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The one thing I don't get is if you're absolutely stupid enough to think Blackett was fouled before our fifth surely rafaels challenge on Vardy for our penalty is borderline assault. Their wa a lot of contact and a lot more of a foul on Vardy than there ever has been on Blackett.

United just need to stop havin a cry and realise that occasional debatable decisions might go against big teams every now and then. Then start asking why they conceded 3 more goals in the next 15 minutes. Cos they're shit

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:wes:  :wes:  :wes:  :wes:

 

this has got to be a wind up surely.

 

if rafael barged vardy in the back then Vardy should be done for GBH for his contact with Rafael.

 

rafael's contact on vardy is one of those dubious penalties, seen them given, seen them not. you can argue for both.

 

you say the question is whether Vardy fouled Rafael, there's no question. it was blatant, he didn't even make it subtle by staring at him before he did it, he had no eyes on the ball at any time and just shoved it, albeit with his arm and shoulder, but that's a blatant foul all day.

 

as for your comment about sending rafael "flying" you're contradicting yourself there. the contact between rafael on vardy was minimal compared to vardy on rafael so if you're argument is right then there was not enough contact made by rafael for vardy to go down.

Vardy to Rafael was shoulder and arm ( agreed ) to shoulder and arm, fact. Rafael on Vardy was in the back, fact, very different. Valid penalty, end of!

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Ashley needs to get Blackett's strength changed to 1 on FIFA. A player whom was once released for being "too small" outstrengthed a central defender whom now has a call-up for England. What a giggle.

Can you imagine it happening to Moore or Morgan?

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You got any links to these reports? Have to say I wouldn't be happy with him if I was his teammate, very naive on the day for Ulloa's goal and the pen and it's good their players know what's going on and aren't just blaming the ref.

 

Yep...Here you go. There were more reports than this but I've got serious copy/paste issues since bloody iOS8!

 

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/514195/Why-the-f-did-we-substitute-Di-Maria-United-star-BLASTS-Van-Gaal-after-Leicester-loss

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Are people not getting that shoulder barges aren't fouls but pushes in the back are?

 

They are not the same kind of challenge.

 

 

Vardy to Rafael was shoulder and arm ( agreed ) to shoulder and arm, fact. Rafael on Vardy was in the back, fact, very different. Valid penalty, end of!

 

Vardy shoved him, not shoulder barged him. Also I'm pretty sure shoulder barges are fouls if they're unnecessary or don't challenge for the ball.

 

agree with Haydos here. Vardy had no intention on playing the ball and used excessive force and pretty much acted as a blocker in an american football game to get to the ball.

 

every one has their own opinion but i think this place would be in uproar if someone like Rooney or Young did that against one of our defenders.

 

but in al hoensty I don't really care and fair play to Vardy for playing to the whistle and inviting Rafael to commit himself to a clumsy challenge in the box straight after.

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Former Cardiff City star and Wales international Craig Bellamy's irritable streak has been cloned in Jamie Vardy.

 

Leicester City sealed their greatest ever performance throughout their entire 130 year history on Sunday, September 21 as the Filbert Way club outfoxed Manchester United by a 5-3 score.

Leicester City may have won a hat-trick of League Cup titles and even finished runners-up for the English title in 1929 but, according to former great Gary Lineker, it is the humbling of United on Sunday that must live long in Blue Army memory.

Many of the home players proved their cunning against United, with strong performances from Leonardo Ulloa, who now has five goals from five appearances for his new club, and legendary midfielder Esteban Cambiasso, whose memorable debut performance in the Premier League was punctuated with a goal and a dominance in the middle of the park.

Jamie Vardy, though, was City's finest Fox as he earned a penalty, tormented Manchester United's rearguard, supplied two assists and, of course, got on the score-sheet himself.

SEE ALSO: Leicester smash United's 853 game record - not even Moyes dropped this clanger!

Commenting in his Daily Mail column, Martin Keown likened Vardy to former Cardiff City, Newcastle United and Liverpool forward Craig Bellamy.

"Vardy was a bit like Craig Bellamy — annoying to play against but outstanding!"

How do you rate Vardy's performance versus United? Do you think he is a Bellamy clone?

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http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/oagprk_ubeigsi3caj6poa/Show/Player-Focus-Lethal-Ulloa-Proving-His-Early-Doubters-Wrong

 

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‘Esteban Cambiasso equalises for Leicester City against Manchester United’ is a sentence no football writer envisaged they would ever type. The Argentine midfielder was, however, on hand to draw the Foxes level against United on Sunday in his first start since joining from Inter this summer. Cambiasso’s goal, a low drive past David De Gea, made it 3-3 at the King Power Stadium, before Jamie Vardy and Leonardo Ulloa netted in the final stages to secure a memorable 5-3 win for the hosts.

 

When Leicester confirmed the acquisition of Cambiasso last month, football connoisseurs were enthused at the prospect of a midfield legend plying his trade in England’s top tier. The 34-year-old has 1 Champions League winners’ title and 6 major league medals to his name and despite his advancing years, the former Real Madrid and Inter star still has plenty to offer at Leicester.

 

However, Cambiasso is not the Argentine supporters are raving about most at the moment. Ulloa has contributed significantly to Leicester’s impressive start to the campaign and has quickly become a fan favourite as a result. The 28-year-old netted 14 times in 32 Championship appearances for Brighton last season and while his goalscoring return for the Seagulls was fairly disappointing for a striker, his form convinced Leicester to part with £8m to secure his signature. Ulloa has repaid the faith shown in him early on, netting 5 times in 5 games, including a brace on Sunday. Only Diego Costa (7) has scored more goals than Ulloa in the Premier League this season.

 

There is always a risk with signing a player who excels in the Championship, especially for a club record fee, butUlloa has adapted to the Premier League with ease. His WhoScored rating (7.52) ranks among the top 25 players in England’s top tier so far this term and such a start has helped Leicester win 8 points of a possible 15 thus far. Ulloa's goals have gained 7 of the Foxes' 8 points this season and without the striker, Leicester may well be rooted to the foot of the table.

 

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Despite coming up against Arsenal, Everton and Manchester United - 3 of last season's top 7 - Ulloa has been unfazed by the pressure thrust on him, only failing to net in one of his 5 appearances this term - Leicester’s 2-0 defeat to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.

 

What is important to note is that Ulloa has the striking know-how to get into effective goalscoring positions. As a team, Leicester have created 5 clear-cut goalscoring chances, with Ulloa scoring 3 of these opportunities (against Everton, Stoke and Manchester United). Despite only signing for Leicester in July, Nigel Pearson is clearly keen on building his attack around the burly frontman and, judging from their league position, the team are reaping the benefits as a result.

 

While Premier League fans salivated over summer arrivals of Costa, Falcao, Cesc Fàbregas and Mario Balotelli, amongst others, Leicester’s goalscoring dynamo has crept under the radar and up the scoring charts. That he has had just 11 shots on goal - 6 of which have been on target - further highlights his prolificacy in the 18-yard box.

 

The commendable early season form of the high-flying Foxes has largely been down to Ulloa, with the Argentine the focal point in attack for Pearson’s side. His height means he can help out at the back when needed and is an ideal outlet when Leicester are defending deep, with Ulloa able to hold up play effectively to ease the pressure on the back four.

 

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He has scored more headed goals (2) than any other player in the Premier League this term. A prime example of the threat he poses in the air came in Sunday’s 5-3 win over United. Vardy did well to break past Marcos Rojo down the right wing to put a ball into the box (though there are suggestions the ball went out of play before the attacker delivered). Regardless, Ulloa got in between Rafael and Jonny Evans to plant a bullet header into the corner of the net that left De Gea rooted to the spot. 

 

Ulloa’s aerial ability means he has developed a statistically calculated strength of ‘headed attempts’, and with Riyad Mahrez and Jeffrey Schlupp breaking down either flank, the aim is to put the ball into the danger zone where the striker can maximise this facet of this game. This is emphasised in Leicester's WhoScored strength of 'attacking down the wings'.

 

Despite early doubts on the back of his big money move to the King Power stadium, Ulloa’s performances have done a lot to repay the hefty fee Leicester paid for him. If he can maintain anything like this kind of form between now and the end of the season, Leicester have a significantly better chance of consolidating their place in the Premier League, and Ulloa could well prove to be the signing of the campaign.

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