The "do they mean us?" thread

[NewquayFox]

Dyche can breath a sigh of relief as Burnleys number 1 target Neil Lennon has gone to Bolton, still think the Burnley fans will turn in him as he spends more time worrying and quoting about Leicester City's signings and financial position than getting a win for the club that pays his wages.....

Will be sacked by Christmas....

[ScouseFox]

 Are expectations of comments and interviews so low in football that saying a well-known phrase (that a fvcking pop group used as a song title) makes you eloquent?

 

hahhaa magic. i can just imagine him singing c'est la vie at their relegation party. what a sight. 

[filbertway]

Can we have an "I'm upset with Sean Dyche" thread? People can cry into their conflakes over him and anything he says in that thread.

[GuestAppearance]

Old graveller's at it again in The Times;

"We were a surprise package last year and we are this year".

You've got 4 points and 3 goals Sean. You're 19th.

"We spent £5 million on nine, ten players. Leicester spent £8 million on one".

Comparing apples and pears there but never mind.

"We have a different journey".

Just going to leave that lingering in the air for you to breath in.

 

Not wanting to put a dampner on another round of bash-the-Dyche but you do understand how a newspaper interview works, right?

 

He doesn't just sit down and launch into a speech which the reporter dutifully transcribes, in full, and publishes on a website with a few additional observations.  The journalist will have asked questions, probably along the lines of ...

 

"You played Leicester last weekend who also gained promotion, they've invested more money in their squad since promotion to try to stay in this league. What would you say to people who question whether you have a chance of staying in this division given your limited investment by comparison to your competition?"

 

What's he supposed to say?  Lie and say that we've spent the same as each other, or that we have no chance and we're only here to make up the numbers, or we could compete financially but we've chosen not to?  Or just "No comment"?

[Babylon]

Not wanting to put a dampner on another round of bash-the-Dyche but you do understand how a newspaper interview works, right?

 

He doesn't just sit down and launch into a speech which the reporter dutifully transcribes, in full, and publishes on a website with a few additional observations.  The journalist will have asked questions, probably along the lines of ...

 

"You played Leicester last weekend who also gained promotion, they've invested more money in their squad since promotion to try to stay in this league. What would you say to people who question whether you have a chance of staying in this division given your limited investment by comparison to your competition?"

 

What's he supposed to say?  Lie and say that we've spent the same as each other, or that we have no chance and we're only here to make up the numbers, or we could compete financially but we've chosen not to?  Or just "No comment"?

The point is he is saying we spent £8m on one player, whilst you spent £5m on 10. Completely ignoring the fact that we also signed Hamer, Albrighton, Cambiasso, Barmby, Rowley, etc etc.

 

As someone else said it's like comparing apples and pears. On one hand he's including every shitty free player he signed, whilst completely ignoring all the ones we did.

 

It's his usual deflection tactics, poor old burnley, we have no money etc etc etc. We spent about £5m more than you in total, big fecking wow!!!

[Guest ttfn]

Not wanting to put a dampner on another round of bash-the-Dyche but you do understand how a newspaper interview works, right?

He doesn't just sit down and launch into a speech which the reporter dutifully transcribes, in full, and publishes on a website with a few additional observations. The journalist will have asked questions, probably along the lines of ...

"You played Leicester last weekend who also gained promotion, they've invested more money in their squad since promotion to try to stay in this league. What would you say to people who question whether you have a chance of staying in this division given your limited investment by comparison to your competition?"

What's he supposed to say? Lie and say that we've spent the same as each other, or that we have no chance and we're only here to make up the numbers, or we could compete financially but we've chosen not to? Or just "No comment"?

You're speculating; I'm not.

Given that Dyche has a long and well-documented history of talking about other clubs' finances with absolutely no leading from the interviewer, it's stretching credulity to state that he's probably only said this because he's been asked a leading question.

Also, how does a leading question explain the management speak? Or the odd mention about a Burnley "surprising people". Or his apples and pears comparison about transfer spending?

[Kitchandro]

Not wanting to put a dampner on another round of bash-the-Dyche but you do understand how a newspaper interview works, right?

 

He doesn't just sit down and launch into a speech which the reporter dutifully transcribes, in full, and publishes on a website with a few additional observations.  The journalist will have asked questions, probably along the lines of ...

 

"You played Leicester last weekend who also gained promotion, they've invested more money in their squad since promotion to try to stay in this league. What would you say to people who question whether you have a chance of staying in this division given your limited investment by comparison to your competition?"

 

What's he supposed to say?  Lie and say that we've spent the same as each other, or that we have no chance and we're only here to make up the numbers, or we could compete financially but we've chosen not to?  Or just "No comment"?

 

He's supposed to say 'there's no point talking about price fees and wages til you're blue in the face, our aim is to stay up and a win gets you 3 points no matter how much you've spent. Or so I've heard.'

 

You know, something that shows a bit of dignity? How can you respect a 'man' that talks about his lack of resources and deflects from the fact you need to do better regardless? That's not what a man does. A man takes responsibility and accepts that his job is to keep Burnley in the division.

[Kitchandro]

And 'Even Leicester have spent £8m on one' heavily suggests he was not asked specifically about Leicester.

Edited 15 October 2014 by Kitchandro

[MPH]

Del Bosque looks like The Don,would just hire a hitman

 

 

 

 

He's Mr Potato head. His parts would just start dropping off at the first sign of a bit of ruffness.

[Stadt]

Gattuso, although not in the champions league, would be a right bastard

[Narborough_fox]

Going back to the fighting between managerial staff. I reckon Miguel Herrera, Mexico manager, could handle himself very well. 

[sylofox]

Not wanting to put a dampner on another round of bash-the-Dyche but you do understand how a newspaper interview works, right?

 

He doesn't just sit down and launch into a speech which the reporter dutifully transcribes, in full, and publishes on a website with a few additional observations.  The journalist will have asked questions, probably along the lines of ...

 

"You played Leicester last weekend who also gained promotion, they've invested more money in their squad since promotion to try to stay in this league. What would you say to people who question whether you have a chance of staying in this division given your limited investment by comparison to your competition?"

 

What's he supposed to say?  Lie and say that we've spent the same as each other, or that we have no chance and we're only here to make up the numbers, or we could compete financially but we've chosen not to?  Or just "No comment"?

Not wanting to put a dampener on your argument.

 

It don't matter what he is asked he is still giving the answers.

 

He could easy do a Nige and say "It is not for me to comment on other clubs players/business"    But No Dyke runs his gob off about us every time.

 

Unless they are holding a shot gun to him the answers are his.

 

At some point the LMA will step in his fixation with us is wrong.

He must quote our club name more than his own club.

[fuchsntf]

Not wanting to put a dampener on your argument.

 

It don't matter what he is asked he is still giving the answers.

 

He could easy do a Nige and say "It is not for me to comment on other clubs players/business"    But No Dyke runs his gob off about us every time.

 

Unless they are holding a shot gun to him the answers are his.

 

At some point the LMA will step in his fixation with us is wrong.

AHe must quote our club name more than his own club.

There, now you have it. Well posted, can we now ignore the man.

That would be the best payback ..,2014/15 not another Dyche related post from now on.

Burnley yes, Dyche posts disapear

[Stadt]

which of our current players do you reckon are most likely to go into management?

I'd go with Drinky and King although the thought of Knocky going mental on the touchline fills me with laughter.

[Raw Dykes]

I want to ask all the Burnley fans reading this how they feel about the way Dyche deals with the media.

Are you happy with him banging on about how little resources he has to work with? Don't you realise that the only person these comments serve are himself?

I'm sure the owners/directors can't be best pleased to be called tight or skint, and I'm sure the players don't like being told they're not the manager's ideal choices. He only mentions money because he thinks it makes the job he's doing look better. He's making excuses. It's not very dignified, and it's pretty disrespectful.

[Oxfordfox83]

which of our current players do you reckon are most likely to go into management?

I'd go with Drinky and King although the thought of Knocky going mental on the touchline fills me with laughter.

Not sure this is the thread for it, but Cambiasso will win the Champions League as a manager. Just hope it's with us...

[Captain...]

Re: Dyche's comment, it is true, we did spend 8 million on one player. Overall we spent over 10 million and brought in 8 players not including development squad.

People need to look past their dislike of duchess* and read that comment again, "even" Leicester, he is basically saying that we are closest to Burnley in terms of financial clout and expenditure, and yet "even" Leicester could spend 8 million on one player. He is acknowledging that we are frugal in our transfer dealings and spend within our means but can still spend bigger than Burnley. The mantra is the same, poor old Burnley, but it is not a dig at us. There is no point comparing Burnley to QPR as they are a joke, or teams that have established themselves as they have had at least a year to sort their squad out. The only club Burnley can try and compare themselves to, is us, and even we have the clout to spend more than they did pre season on one player.

It is hardly the worst thing he could say.

*auto corrected to duchess, seemed somewhat apt...

[Babylon]

Re: Dyche's comment, it is true, we did spend 8 million on one player. Overall we spent over 10 million and brought in 8 players not including development squad.

People need to look past their dislike of duchess* and read that comment again, "even" Leicester, he is basically saying that we are closest to Burnley in terms of financial clout and expenditure, and yet "even" Leicester could spend 8 million on one player. He is acknowledging that we are frugal in our transfer dealings and spend within our means but can still spend bigger than Burnley. The mantra is the same, poor old Burnley, but it is not a dig at us. There is no point comparing Burnley to QPR as they are a joke, or teams that have established themselves as they have had at least a year to sort their squad out. The only club Burnley can try and compare themselves to, is us, and even we have the clout to spend more than they did pre season on one player.

It is hardly the worst thing he could say.

*auto corrected to duchess, seemed somewhat apt...

The point people are making is that he's using one criteria to judge himself and one to judge us. It's just plain moronic and once again self serving.

[The Doctor]

Re: Dyche's comment, it is true, we did spend 8 million on one player. Overall we spent over 10 million and brought in 8 players not including development squad.

People need to look past their dislike of duchess* and read that comment again, "even" Leicester, he is basically saying that we are closest to Burnley in terms of financial clout and expenditure, and yet "even" Leicester could spend 8 million on one player. He is acknowledging that we are frugal in our transfer dealings and spend within our means but can still spend bigger than Burnley. The mantra is the same, poor old Burnley, but it is not a dig at us. There is no point comparing Burnley to QPR as they are a joke, or teams that have established themselves as they have had at least a year to sort their squad out. The only club Burnley can try and compare themselves to, is us, and even we have the clout to spend more than they did pre season on one player.

It is hardly the worst thing he could say.

*auto corrected to duchess, seemed somewhat apt...

You ignore the point everyone is making - that he's using different standards to judge him than everyone else. We could easily turn round and say "burnley spent 3m on one player we spent the same on 6 (Hamer, Upson, Albrighton, Cambiasso, Lawrence, Simpson) - he's trying to make the standards for him to be judged on lower than those for everyone else by applying different criteria to him than to others. It's desperately scraping for excuses, because he's a small time manager at a small time club.

[Oxfordfox83]

I used to love this thread.

Mods, could you pull the plastic/elastic trick again?

Suggestions: If someone types "Dyche" replace it with "my mum", if someone types "Burnley" replace it with "my missus", and if someone types "ginger tw@t" replace it with "god almighty can't someone find me a hobby I'm even boring myself"?

[Babylon]

No... everyone someone says Burnley it comes out Poor Burnleh

[Stadt]

I'm gullible.

Edited 16 October 2014 by Wookie

[Captain...]

The point people are making is that he's using one criteria to judge himself and one to judge us. It's just plain moronic and once again self serving.

 

Did you read the whole post, rather than the first line?

 

He isn't judging us, and people are starting to have a persecution complex, he is saying that they can't afford to spend £8m on a player, even Leicester, arguably the second weakest team in the league, fellow new boys, can afford to spend £8m on one player.

[Mark_w]

 even Leicester, arguably the second weakest team in the league.

 

You'd have to be incredibly argumentative.

[Captain...]

You'd have to be incredibly argumentative.

 

Not really, in terms of recent Prem experience, not been in it for 10 years, even Burnley have been in it more recently than us, in terms of top flight experience in the squad, apart from Konch, the team that started against Burnley have spent the majority of their careers in the lower leagues, and Burnley will be seeing us as a team they can finish ahead of.

 

There is no point Burnley comparing themselves to QPR as they are a grotesque parody of a club, so Burnley fans and management team will look at us as the closest team for comparison, both were restricted by FFP last season, both were trying to build a squad for the prem over the summer, and yet we are able to spend £8m on one player, more than they were able to spend all summer.

 

Admittedly they spent more than Stoke, and possibly Villa (a lot of undisclosed), but it is not a negative, a slight, or a judgement on us, it is just a fact, one duchess is using to play up the underdog card.