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In cycling it was the biggest teams that used drugs the most effectively. Astana anyone. If our sport science department has somehow invented a traceless drug then fair play to them but it's nonsense. I'd honestly expect the biggest teams to sail closest to the wind in terms of semi-legal drugs. Football is pretty incestuous, if one team alone was doing something it would soon be everywhere.

If we play 11 Are Akinbyi's against Man Utd, then maybe we've been on the riods.

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Surely whether a team has better "athletes, sports science and resources" is totally subjective anyway? Riyad Mahrez is just as good a player as anybody on City's books, Kante too. And I dare say if they'd had Wes Morgan, Robert Huth and Jamie Vardy this season they'd be top of the league.

Also as I've said elsewhere whilst there is no financial incentive to dope in amateur sports there is also no disincentive. If you've got nothing to lose it's only your morals stopping you. If you've got everything (a £1 million+ a year contract plus bonuses) to lose (especially when you've come from nothing like half our squad) why on earth would you dope? You'd have to be absolutely stupid, which whilst not beyond any footballer is certainly beyond a group of footballers.

And if it's the club doing it, why have no disaffected players (Nugent, Inler, Kramaric, Hamer, Albrighton when he was out of the team) said anything? And how has Kramaric's form picked up after leaving us? Are Hoffenheim doing better doping? Is that it?!

The fella on the Man City board is living in an absolute fantasy land. It must be deeply upsetting to see that it's possible to break the top 4, let alone compete for the title, without spending hundreds of millions of pounds to do so. Pointing to things that are a) absolute bollocks and b) nobody is ever going to look up like "players not even drenched in sweat at the end of the game" is the last resort of the Internet conspiracist - never mind that virtually all of the goals we've conceded since October have been in the last 20 minutes (even last 10 minutes) of games, apparently we are just as strong at the end of the games as we are at the start.

The drenched in sweat thing is pretty bizarre, we aren't in the days of razor ruddoch. They are all supper fit.

tbf I've played right back for years, not a particularly disciplined one as a former winger either, twice in two days for most of them. I very rarely leave the pitch "drenched in sweat looking tired" up to the age of 30, I'll admit now that is often with a couple of drugs in my system but they are certainly far from performance enhancing. No one looking after my diet, for long periods I'd probably have a fag hanging out my mouth at half time (before you even type that joke out, very funny) if I can do that I'm sure our lads can ffs.

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Also, if our players are all so drugged up that they don't get tired, why is Shinji subbed after 70 minutes every game, because he's shattered?

 

It's the usual ravings from a simpleton who can't understand why we are doing well. They assume we are running more than other teams - but we simply aren't doing that. See here ( http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10161166/hardest-working-players) . The only player we have who appears in the highest distance covered stats is Albrighton - another who gets subbed a lot, because he's knackered, like Shinji!

 

We use our tactics carefully to avoid having to do loads of running - when we don't have the ball, players get back into a solid shape, then sit back until we get an opportunity to get possession back, normally when we get a chance for our players to hunt as a pack to intercept the ball. We do sometimes press hard up the pitch, we certainly don't do it for extended periods of the game (unlike Tottenham, who do have players who crop up high in the distance covered stats HERR DERR THEY ARE ALL ON DRUGS). We press high when we want to chase a game, or force a goal, but when we don't need to, our team is very effective at conserving energy when we don't have the ball by keeping shape. Couple this with our ability to kill off a game once we are in the lead, and it becomes clear, that we possess a team that works as hard as it needs or wants to. Our conditioning might be good, but in reality, it is the supreme level of organisation to our tactics that makes the crucial difference.

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Also, if our players are all so drugged up that they don't get tired, why is Shinji subbed after 70 minutes every game, because he's shattered?

 

 

Because when the rest eat Pizza, Shinji opts for fish and chips :)

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Analysis of the tactics behind Leicester’s Premier League success

Nick Morales April 27, 2016 English Premier LeagueLeicester City 87 Views

 

No one called it, and if you did you were joking. Leicester City’s rise to the top of the Premier League has been as meteoric as it was unexpected. Just the thought of the team that made the great escape from relegation last year are now favourites to win the title is mind blowing. Some have suggested that The Foxes are not fit to be champions due to their style of ‘negative football’, but one could not think of a more fitting league winners once their team is more deeply analysed.

 

Part of what makes Leicester so successful is the fact that their play focuses on the strengths of the team and downplays the weaknesses. Leicester do a fantastic job at keeping their shape; the key to all their success. The rigid 4-4-2 employed by Ranieri, coupled with the instilled discipline to carry out the intended purpose of the formation, is what has seen the Foxes enjoy so much success.

The formation, when executed properly, provides immense pressure to any play that may occur in the middle of the field, corralling the creation to the sides. This does either one of two things; it will force the opposition to send in a cross, which plays into the hands of Leicester’s aerially dominant and defensively organized back line, or it allows Leicester to overload that side of the field. Overloading one side gives the foxes the best opportunity to win back the ball, or at the very least force the opposition to recycle possession, subsequently allowing them to fall back into shape.

This defensive minded approach also contributes to their success going forward. One of the advantages of the 4-4-2 is that the front two can use each other as support when breaking, as opposed to holding up play and waiting for support from the midfield. The no-nonsense Leicester defense often launches a ball far up the pitch, giving an eager Jamie Vardy a chance to do what he excels at; one time over the top finishing. Vardy’s ability to convert the chances on the counter has helped his team massively this year, but more than one man in royal blue has been in the headlines.

Riyad Mahrez’ involvement has been of a similar effect at times, but he has shown to be capable of an entirely different skill. The Algerian’s ability to go past an opponent is what makes him special, but the way in which his Italian manager utilizes him is what makes them win. Going past one or multiple opponents is something that no matter what tactics a manager chooses to use will cause problems, but it is within this talent where issues lie.

Even the best player in the world, Lionel Messi, gets past his man 63.22% of the time, meaning creation is a risk. Ranieri doesn’t have a team full of players that are seeking to try and take on multiple opponents, losing the ball a solid 50% of the time. He structures his team so that it can cover for Mahrez’ risky form of creation via their defensive organization as well as having his star scorers contribute as much to the defending as they do going forward. Mahrez and Vardy don’t subscribe to the Cristiano Ronaldo school of play where the attacker slams the floor after failing to complete his take on, leaving his team in the lurch. This hard-work mentality is another key to why they’ve have only three losses this year.

 

Another key part of Leicester’s play is where the lose and win the ball back. Objectively speaking, The Foxes are not a great team on the ball. The games in which they have struggled most are those against lower league opposition, where the onus was on them to create. What separates them from other teams at the top however, besides a current six point gap, is their concentration.

Leicester absolutely refuse to lose the ball in the middle of the field. Everything they do on and off the ball is to ensure that they’re not exposed defensively, hence why you often see their players sending the ball long or out of play. Whether it’s to set the front two off on a counter, or to stop a piece of attacking play from developing into a palpable chance, the midfield of Kanté and Drinkwater have made all the difference this season.

The midfield duo are the orchestrators in all of the aforementioned traits that make this team worthy champions. Keeping the organization and harboring intelligent, deep possession in order to give the forwards space are just a few of the jobs they perform so well, and no amount of adjectives or literary mechanism can encapsulate their importance to the team.

All of these attributes that makeup Leicester have utilized the best aspects of each player in their respective positions. Huth and Morgan’s strength and aerial ability, Drinkwater and Kanté’s interception and intelligent possession, and Mahrez and Vardy’s attacking brilliance. This is the true definition of a team.

Leicester have gone above and beyond their expected goals this season not because of any fairy-tale narrative or existential stroke of luck, but because of the true brilliance of hard work and extreme tactical execution; a phrase that should describe any premier league champion.

 

 

The highlighted part is not true though, is it? We've lost points against Arsenal (twice), Liverpool, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd, Southampton, West Ham, WBA, Villa, Bournemouth (twice) and Stoke. Only four of those 13 games were against lower half opposition.

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Leicester City are the most brutally efficient winners since 1970s Leeds

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/leicester-city-are-the-most-brutally-efficient-winners-since-1970s-leeds/

 

 

Unoriginal, boring, one eyed, short memory, London Centric sour graped Murdoch sycophant

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Leicester City are the most brutally efficient winners since 1970s Leeds

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/leicester-city-are-the-most-brutally-efficient-winners-since-1970s-leeds/

Unoriginal, boring, one eyed, short memory, London Centric sour graped Murdoch sycophant

And at a guess I'd say Spurs fan.
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Leicester City are the most brutally efficient winners since 1970s Leeds

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/leicester-city-are-the-most-brutally-efficient-winners-since-1970s-leeds/

 

 

Unoriginal, boring, one eyed, short memory, London Centric sour graped Murdoch sycophant

"As it is, Leicester will be the first team to take the title without one memorable performance — with the possible exception of their home victory over Liverpool, and that was really only a couple of good goals against a struggling side"

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Man City away?

Chelsea home?

Swansea away?

Newcastle away?

Villa home?

I guess they don't count as they're all struggling sides, bar Man City.

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"As it is, Leicester will be the first team to take the title without one memorable performance — with the possible exception of their home victory over Liverpool, and that was really only a couple of good goals against a struggling side"

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Man City away?

Chelsea home?

Swansea away?

Newcastle away?

Villa home?

I guess they don't count as they're all struggling sides, bar Man City.

Those two performances against Liverpool and Man City were better than anything I've seen from any other team this season. Therefore, I can only assume they are complete neanderthals or didn't watch it. It's the last in a line of excuses used against us this season and it's probably the most embarrassing.

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Leicester City are the most brutally efficient winners since 1970s Leeds

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/leicester-city-are-the-most-brutally-efficient-winners-since-1970s-leeds/

 

 

Unoriginal, boring, one eyed, short memory, London Centric sour graped Murdoch sycophant

 

Can't even spell Schlupp right. lol

 

But I sense it's meant to be satirical.

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Without one memorable performance? Erm. Man City away?

Lump it long?

How many of our goals against the Swans were long ball? Er, none.

These people are such charlatans, so London centric that it borders on Austin Powers like comedy. Are these people for real or just stuck in a time warp?

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People need to get used to it, there is almost no interest in another "oooh Leicester aren't they great" article, we'll get some nice right ups if we finally win it. But after that, get used to the press dragging up Vardy, Simpson, Huth, Thailand, administration, FFP over and over again. We'll be painted as just long ball, boring, dirty, cheating team etc.

 

We've seen the switch in the last two months, from being media darlings to be ripped a new one almost every day by some idiot who only started paying attention about 8 games ago.

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/apr/28/atletico-madrid-champions-league-leicester-city

A write up on Atletico/Bayern last night with lots of very favourable comparisons to us. 

 

"Pep Guardiola will be relishing facing Leicester in the Premier League next season about as much as he is looking forward to going head to head with Diego Simeone when Bayern Munich try to overturn the 1-0 deficit in next week’s second leg."

 

What a quote 

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Analysis of the tactics behind Leicester’s Premier League success

Nick Morales April 27, 2016 English Premier LeagueLeicester City 87 Views

 

No one called it, and if you did you were joking. Leicester City’s rise to the top of the Premier League has been as meteoric as it was unexpected. Just the thought of the team that made the great escape from relegation last year are now favourites to win the title is mind blowing. Some have suggested that The Foxes are not fit to be champions due to their style of ‘negative football’, but one could not think of a more fitting league winners once their team is more deeply analysed.

 

Part of what makes Leicester so successful is the fact that their play focuses on the strengths of the team and downplays the weaknesses. Leicester do a fantastic job at keeping their shape; the key to all their success. The rigid 4-4-2 employed by Ranieri, coupled with the instilled discipline to carry out the intended purpose of the formation, is what has seen the Foxes enjoy so much success.

The formation, when executed properly, provides immense pressure to any play that may occur in the middle of the field, corralling the creation to the sides. This does either one of two things; it will force the opposition to send in a cross, which plays into the hands of Leicester’s aerially dominant and defensively organized back line, or it allows Leicester to overload that side of the field. Overloading one side gives the foxes the best opportunity to win back the ball, or at the very least force the opposition to recycle possession, subsequently allowing them to fall back into shape.

This defensive minded approach also contributes to their success going forward. One of the advantages of the 4-4-2 is that the front two can use each other as support when breaking, as opposed to holding up play and waiting for support from the midfield. The no-nonsense Leicester defense often launches a ball far up the pitch, giving an eager Jamie Vardy a chance to do what he excels at; one time over the top finishing. Vardy’s ability to convert the chances on the counter has helped his team massively this year, but more than one man in royal blue has been in the headlines.

Riyad Mahrez’ involvement has been of a similar effect at times, but he has shown to be capable of an entirely different skill. The Algerian’s ability to go past an opponent is what makes him special, but the way in which his Italian manager utilizes him is what makes them win. Going past one or multiple opponents is something that no matter what tactics a manager chooses to use will cause problems, but it is within this talent where issues lie.

Even the best player in the world, Lionel Messi, gets past his man 63.22% of the time, meaning creation is a risk. Ranieri doesn’t have a team full of players that are seeking to try and take on multiple opponents, losing the ball a solid 50% of the time. He structures his team so that it can cover for Mahrez’ risky form of creation via their defensive organization as well as having his star scorers contribute as much to the defending as they do going forward. Mahrez and Vardy don’t subscribe to the Cristiano Ronaldo school of play where the attacker slams the floor after failing to complete his take on, leaving his team in the lurch. This hard-work mentality is another key to why they’ve have only three losses this year.

 

Another key part of Leicester’s play is where the lose and win the ball back. Objectively speaking, The Foxes are not a great team on the ball. The games in which they have struggled most are those against lower league opposition, where the onus was on them to create. What separates them from other teams at the top however, besides a current six point gap, is their concentration.

Leicester absolutely refuse to lose the ball in the middle of the field. Everything they do on and off the ball is to ensure that they’re not exposed defensively, hence why you often see their players sending the ball long or out of play. Whether it’s to set the front two off on a counter, or to stop a piece of attacking play from developing into a palpable chance, the midfield of Kanté and Drinkwater have made all the difference this season.

The midfield duo are the orchestrators in all of the aforementioned traits that make this team worthy champions. Keeping the organization and harboring intelligent, deep possession in order to give the forwards space are just a few of the jobs they perform so well, and no amount of adjectives or literary mechanism can encapsulate their importance to the team.

All of these attributes that makeup Leicester have utilized the best aspects of each player in their respective positions. Huth and Morgan’s strength and aerial ability, Drinkwater and Kanté’s interception and intelligent possession, and Mahrez and Vardy’s attacking brilliance. This is the true definition of a team.

Leicester have gone above and beyond their expected goals this season not because of any fairy-tale narrative or existential stroke of luck, but because of the true brilliance of hard work and extreme tactical execution; a phrase that should describe any premier league champion.

 

 

 

I wish more of our fans read this kind of analysis, I got annoyed with people on Sunday shouting at Mahrez and Simpson to close down the player on the flank. They are not being lazy that is the tactic, close the space in the middle, force the ball out wide and then box them in. We are deliberately leaving the wide player free because that is where we want them to have the ball. We wait until it goes wide and then close them down. 

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/apr/28/atletico-madrid-champions-league-leicester-city

A write up on Atletico/Bayern last night with lots of very favourable comparisons to us. 

 

"Pep Guardiola will be relishing facing Leicester in the Premier League next season about as much as he is looking forward to going head to head with Diego Simeone when Bayern Munich try to overturn the 1-0 deficit in next week’s second leg."

 

What a quote 

 

That is awesome, I like the fact it mentions the mental pressure of playing teams like us, knowing you are going to be constantly harassed and harangued forces players to make decisions quicker and leads to snap shots and frantic passes because they know they have no time on the ball. You look at some of the misses players have made against us this season it is because they have spent the whole game being hunted they snatch at any chance they get. Nobody would  try what Mahrez did against Watford against us. Take the ball down in the box and pick his spot, because if they did they would get smothered, instead they try a first time shot and that usually ends up in row Z.

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Leicester City are the most brutally efficient winners since 1970s Leeds

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/leicester-city-are-the-most-brutally-efficient-winners-since-1970s-leeds/

 

 

Unoriginal, boring, one eyed, short memory, London Centric sour graped Murdoch sycophant

 

 

Appalling article.

 

The teams who play the 'prettiest' football hardly ever win the title.

 

The great Liverpool sides of the late 70s and early 1980s built their success on the back on solid defending and ruthless midfielders like Steve Nicol and Steve McMahon. Villa won the title with a counter-attacking side in 1980. Even Chelsea in recent years have won it without any real flair in their side.

 

As title winners go, we have been exciting. There's been more goals in our games than either Spurs' or Arsenal's...

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