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Animal rights

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ozleicester

ozleicester

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lol How 95% might be treated? I don't even know where to start with that.

Watch the video.. it will give ytou a fine starting point

Guest MattP

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Watch the video.. it will give ytou a fine starting point

I have, I've been involved with Greyhounds and Horses for years and I probably know of 3-4 cases like that.

I'd put it at around 0.2%, you would say it might be 95%.

I've got a feeling I might know is closer.

ozleicester

ozleicester

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Do you have the % the right way round? That would mean that 95% of people that go and work at stables and kennels because they love animals are cruel bastards.

The 95%, which i acknowledge is not a verifiable statistic, but based on reports of the tens of thousands of horses bred for racing each year, which do not go on to race seems reasonable.

Therefore the 95% refers to those that are not trained and kept, the ones that dont even make it to the track..or race once or twice and are discarded.

i am not suggesting that the majority of trainers or stable hands etc are cruel, i agree that most of the successful horses are well kept and live a very good life... but they are (IMO) the 5%

I have, I've been involved with Greyhounds and Horses for years and I probably know of 3-4 cases like that.

I'd put it at around 0.2%, you would say it might be 95%.

I've got a feeling I might know is closer.

Any thought s on the video and the horse....

being shot in the head (in a clumsy and cruel way)

dragged across the floor whilst still alive

having its throat slashed whilst still alive

being electrocuted and having an electric cattle prod jammed up its ar$e?

alll....

in front of another of these magnificent creatures which is more than capable of understanding what is happening around it.

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Carl the Llama

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Any thought s on the video and the horse....

being shot in the head (in a clumsy and cruel way)

dragged across the floor whilst still alive

having its throat slashed whilst still alive

being electrocuted and having an electric cattle prod jammed up its ar$e?

alll....

in front of another of these magnificent creatures which is more than capable of understanding what is happening around it.

"You swinging head bastard"

He's probably swinging his head because he knows he's about to get shot, and not very well at that... Why doesn't he take the shot from a bit closer for one thing?

Guest MattP

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Any thought s on the video and the horse....

being shot in the head (in a clumsy and cruel way)

dragged across the floor whilst still alive

having its throat slashed whilst still alive

being electrocuted and having an electric cattle prod jammed up its ar$e?

Yeah sickening behaviour that no one who enjoys the company of animals would ever do, sick people who would probably be doing that sort of thing whatever rules were in place in Horse Racing. The sort who would cut the ears off your pet rabbit for kicks.

Not representative or 99% of people involved in the industry and they should be going to jail for a long time.

Again makes me thankful for the laws and procedures we have in place over here in Britain. Australia really needs to get it's act together.

ozleicester

ozleicester

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Why do you keep bringing Australian/Israeli stuff up? Like I've said, we have our house in order on animal rights in Horse and Greyhound racing, procedures have been in place to years.

I love the way you write your stuff out, it's sounds like everythings been copuied and pasted from some mad far left animal rights magazine.

For what it's worth I don't like the Melbourne Cup, it's a pretty shit handicap isn't it when you consider the prize money involved? Give me the Cox Plate anyday.

Yeah sickening behaviour that no one who enjoys the company of animals would ever do, sick people who would probably be doing that sort of thing whatever rules were in place in Horse Racing. The sort who would cut the ears off your pet rabbit for kicks.

Not representative or 99% of people involved in the industry and they should be going to jail for a long time.

Again makes me thankful for the laws and procedures we have in place over here in Britain. Australia really needs to get it's act together.

You have on a number of occasions during these discussions referrred to the information being from Oz ...or Israel and suggest that such things dont happen in england.

Im not sure if you are racist, or just too simple to realise that OF COURSE it happens in England. Watch the link below from "The Guardian"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2010/oct/07/animal-welfare-abuse-slaughterhouse

Filmed in UK Slaughterhouses, where your dinner is coming from. Hope you will help England "get its act together"

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You have on a number of occasions during these discussions referrred to the information being from Oz ...or Israel and suggest that such things dont happen in england.

Im not sure if you are racist, or just too simple to realise that OF COURSE it happens in England. Watch the link below from "The Guardian"

http://www.guardian....-slaughterhouse

Filmed in UK Slaughterhouses, where your dinner is coming from. Hope you will help England "get its act together"

You had to go more than two years ago to get that and we did, look at the response to the video you posted.

http://www.guardian....fare?intcmp=239

Morrisons, M&S, Waitrose, Co-op and Sainsbury's have also promised that CCTV images will be independently monitored – as called for by the charity Animal Aid, which ran a campaign last year involving undercover filming of alleged brutality.

As I get my meat from either my local butcher (and I know him), Sainsburys or M&S I can sleep safely in the knowledge the animals I am eating are being cared for.

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Whenever I come into this thread I end up cooking some meat.

Chicken going in.

Rincewind

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Sometimes when I am in the City Centre I see a stall with placards and posters with 'Meat is Murder' on. They have been showing the same pictures on them for over 20 years. Probably more. I am sure the protesters have not visited a modern farm.

I have not seen the video as I believe it will be too biased. The 95% is the 100% of the places they chose to film not overall.

It is like saying 95% of New York are Chinese and just doing the stats based on China Town.

I have a couple of chicken pies to do. They were reduced in price so i snapped them up. I base my eating habits on what I can afford at the time. Thank you chicken for giving your life so I can eat. It will be accompanied by an equal dead garlic bread followed by a humanely eaten cut price trifle.

:)

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Trav Le Bleu

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Animals don't have rights - they're animals.

That's no excuse to be excessively cruel to them, though.

Many of them taste nice and are useful for clothing. Also, by experimentation and scientific observation, we can learn many things to benefit humankind.

Speciesism is the only -ism I'll admit to.

Manwell Pablo

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Still interested how Mr Oz the animal rights rights activist is going to justify the starvation of millions of domestic animals. Curiously he hasn't answered this one yet. Even dried foods main ingredient is ground down meat and bone.

acooling08

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Do you reckon in 250 years, animals with have the same rights as us and we will all be vegetarian?

Seems unlikely, but ask 50 years ago if same-sex marriage was going to be allowed in churches, or ask a few centuries back if blacks would have equal rights...

I think it will happen.

The Doctor

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Animals don't have rights - they're animals.

That's no excuse to be excessively cruel to them, though.

Many of them taste nice and are useful for clothing. Also, by experimentation and scientific observation, we can learn many things to benefit humankind.

Speciesism is the only -ism I'll admit to.

You mean the right to be tasty doesn't exist?

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Kitchandro

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We can kill and eat animals, and that's ok , but if an animal kills a human for food, it is shot dead!

What a fair world we humans have made for ourselves!

We can kill and eat animals because they aren't our equals and there's nothing they can do about it.

If they were clever enough to learn how to use firearms and get organised maybe they'd be calling the shots, so to speak.

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Do you reckon in 250 years, animals with have the same rights as us and we will all be vegetarian?

Seems unlikely, but ask 50 years ago if same-sex marriage was going to be allowed in churches, or ask a few centuries back if blacks would have equal rights...

I think it will happen.

Fcuk knows, can you imagine in 250 years time? lol

We'll have chimps adopting humans and men marrying goats.

Charl91

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We can kill and eat animals because they aren't our equals and there's nothing they can do about it.

If they were clever enough to learn how to use firearms and get organised maybe they'd be calling the shots, so to speak.

You mean like how we killed/enslaved black people because we had guns and they didn't :ph34r:

I'm not saying we shouldn't eat animals, but I don't buy the "can't defend itself so has no rights" argument.

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You mean like how we killed/enslaved black people because we had guns and they didn't :ph34r:

Least they are making up for it now. :ph34r:

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