okie fox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 <p> Play the ball to their feet that might be a good idea?, we have lacked that midfielder that can thread a through ball and unlock the opposition defense, last season was too predictable with our build up play passy passy football with no cutting edge imo, particularly from the LW and the centre of the midfield imo. And when Wellens does that, everyone accuses him of Hollywood passes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 <p> And when Wellens does that, everyone accuses him of Hollywood passes! Wellens does but not enough compared to the likes of Koren, Whittingham etc, but he is too lethargic in other parts of his game and isn't up to the demands of championship football at the top end imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Numan Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Play the ball to their feet that might be a good idea?, we have lacked that midfielder that can thread a through ball and unlock the opposition defense, last season was too predictable with our build up play passy passy football with no cutting edge imo, particularly from the LW and the centre of the midfield imo. This is exactly what some of us are on about. You can't play it to their feet because they can't control it and hold it for more than a second. You can't put it in the air either as they were no damned good in the air. Beckford and Nugent were only any good when they were running at teams. The midfield didn't have a problem then. It's only when faced with a packed defence and 2 static strikers that the midfield couldn't do anything with the ball. That's not the fault of the midfield, that's the fault of Nugent and Beckford being the wrong kind of strikers for that situation, the injury problems up front and not being able to get Billy Sharp. The only problem I have with the midfield is the lack of a ball winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 This is exactly what some of us are on about. You can't play it to their feet because they can't control it and hold it for more than a second. You can't put it in the air either as they were no damned good in the air. Beckford and Nugent were only any good when they were running at teams. The midfield didn't have a problem then. It's only when faced with a packed defence and 2 static strikers that the midfield couldn't do anything with the ball. That's not the fault of the midfield, that's the fault of Nugent and Beckford being the wrong kind of strikers for that situation, the injury problems up front and not being able to get Billy Sharp. The only problem I have with the midfield is the lack of a ball winner Maybe it is about catering our forwards and midfielders for different oppositions?, the Target man combo when we play the bullish CBs and the lesser sides, with a playmaker, against the so called top opposition play 2 wingers and Beckford and Nugent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleckneymike Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 This is exactly what some of us are on about. You can't play it to their feet because they can't control it and hold it for more than a second. You can't put it in the air either as they were no damned good in the air. Beckford and Nugent were only any good when they were running at teams. The midfield didn't have a problem then. It's only when faced with a packed defence and 2 static strikers that the midfield couldn't do anything with the ball. That's not the fault of the midfield, that's the fault of Nugent and Beckford being the wrong kind of strikers for that situation, the injury problems up front and not being able to get Billy Sharp. The only problem I have with the midfield is the lack of a ball winner This does beg the question why we started hoofing it at them then when it was patently obvious that it was unsuited to their ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 How about loaning out Beckford to Blackburn for a couple of months? be good for fitness! But he's not injured or been injured recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okie fox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Wellens does but not enough compared to the likes of Koren, Whittingham etc, but he is too lethargic in other parts of his game and isn't up to the demands of championship football at the top end imo. My opinion is different. Wellens is always wanting the ball, and doesn't hide even on a bad day. He does a lot of work and gets passing movements going. We may struggle without him at the start of the season unless we sign a Koren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 My opinion is different. Wellens is always wanting the ball, and doesn't hide even on a bad day. He does a lot of work and gets passing movements going. We may struggle without him at the start of the season unless we sign a Koren. Drinkwater is better than Wellens although he isn't the answer yet, someone like Koren would be ideal in the centre of the park alongside Danns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Numan Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 This does beg the question why we started hoofing it at them then when it was patently obvious that it was unsuited to their ability. When faced with no options I think we'd all resort to hit and hope football eventually. Hopefully the introductions of Futacs and Vardy will solve some of the problems. I'd still like that specialist ball winner in the squad as there will be games where we need one, especially away. I don't like players filling in unless it's absolutely necessary to cover injuries. Another winger for cover wouldn't go amiss either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmesefox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Well the only players I consider to be half decent are Beckford, Marshall, Danns, and Kasper. Master fox, that was not my question. I said name your starting 11................................and how you can leave out Konch, our best and most reliable outfield player last season, is beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleckneymike Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 When faced with no options I think we'd all resort to hit and hope football eventually. Hopefully the introductions of Futacs and Vardy will solve some of the problems. I'd still like that specialist ball winner in the squad as there will be games where we need one, especially away. I don't like players filling in unless it's absolutely necessary to cover injuries. Another winger for cover wouldn't go amiss either We never wait for options though, we immediately launch it. Beckford does make runs, it's just that the ball is never played to him, instead it's slowed down in midfield and simply passed backwards so it can be launched forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Master fox, that was not my question. I said name your starting 11................................and how you can leave out Konch, our best and most reliable outfield player last season, is beyond belief. Not forgetting our top scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okie fox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Drinkwater is better than Wellens although he isn't the answer yet, someone like Koren would be ideal in the centre of the park alongside Danns. Drinkwater needs to stop giving the ball away. Last season he started out OK , but was weak at the end. I have never seen Drinkwater run the show like Wellens does some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Drinkwater needs to stop giving the ball away. Last season he started out OK , but was weak at the end. I have never seen Drinkwater run the show like Wellens does some games. Well sounds just like Wellens then! In all seriousness though, Drinkwater could well be that playmaker he got 7 assists for Barnsley before joining us so he does have that in his locker. He is still gelling into team I expect him to do better next season for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Numan Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 We never wait for options though, we immediately launch it. Beckford does make runs, it's just that the ball is never played to him, instead it's slowed down in midfield and simply passed backwards so it can be launched forward. That's not always the case though is it. It happens in every team but yes, I can't understand that when it happens. The midfield could play the same ball a lot earlier and more effectively than a defender ever could. I wouldn't mind that so much if we had the likes of Walsh and Elliott at the back who could hit people with long balls or bring it out of defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 <p> And when Wellens does that, everyone accuses him of Hollywood passes! I think he means play it into their feet, on the floor, and through the defence for them to run onto.... Wellens never does that - he stands in his own half pinging a long cross field ball - A hollywood pass that has no end product as the best we can hope for is that the striker can get it under control under pressure whilst running onto a ball over his shoulder on the wing!!! A simple ten yard accurate pass to the feet of the striker when he's at the edge of the box - PLEASE anyone!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmesefox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Well, I do like Wellens. He may be past his peak but he is the one player that takes the responsibility of attempting to create play. Yes he makes mistakes but that is because he is relied upon by the rest of the team to conjure something up out of nothing. I think he gets far too much of a hard time on here and if he had an easy release then I think he would use it but so often players went missing last season when called upon (i.e king and Gally). Wellens is certainly not the answer but he is one player I would keep hold of as cover if we are to move forward and away from last season's disapointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Well, I do like Wellens. He may be past his peak but he is the one player that takes the responsibility of attempting to create play. Yes he makes mistakes but that is because he is relied upon by the rest of the team to conjure something up out of nothing. I think he gets far too much of a hard time on here and if he had an easy release then I think he would use it but so often players went missing last season when called upon (i.e king and Gally). Wellens is certainly not the answer but he is one player I would keep hold of as cover if we are to move forward and away from last season's disapointment. Who gets as much stick as anyone, possibly more at the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmesefox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Gally - flair player but bit fair weather - worthy of 30 mins a game IMHO. I love him at times but find him so annoying at others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Who gets as much stick as anyone, possibly more at the ground. The reaction from our fans at Burnley was appalling, a lot of our fans really went down in my estimation after that. I didn't sit near a single person who criticized Beckford last year, but there were more than a few who gave Gallagher stick where I sit last year. Sort of difficult to believe really when we're chasing a goal, bring on a player who, love him or hate him, scores relatively frequently for a midfielder, and he gets booed before he touches the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmesefox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 The reaction from our fans at Burnley was appalling, a lot of our fans really went down in my estimation after that. I didn't sit near a single person who criticized Beckford last year, but there were more than a few who gave Gallagher stick where I sit last year. Sort of difficult to believe really when we're chasing a goal, bring on a player who, love him or hate him, scores relatively frequently for a midfielder, and he gets booed before he touches the ball. disgusting - fans should never boo a player before or during the game in my opinion and booing after a match is for very very rare occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpaM Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Why have i got a funny feeling we'll sell Beckford and try to bring Fryatt back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Why have i got a funny feeling we'll sell Beckford and try to bring Fryatt back I said this yesterday. I wouldn't put it past ol Mr.Predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanf0x Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Scored today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmesefox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Why have i got a funny feeling we'll sell Beckford and try to bring Fryatt back Not a chance in a million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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