Safe Standing - Support the Early Day motion

[C-man]

Media day at Bristol City today about the rail seating just installed. Hope they invited Margaret Aspinall.

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26141427
 

If you watch the video Lawro actually has a sensible view considering his close affiliation with Liverpool.


 

[Dan LCFC]

Can't watch the video due to being at work but what does he say? Promising if he's changed his mind because a couple of years back I can remember Lawro snubbing it immediately. "Should never ever come back" or something like it.

[AndWhat?]

Why are they talking to those two who have no ****ing clue whatsoever what safe standing actually is?? I'm sorry, but they should not be talking to ex pros that probably never go to games as actual fans, its ridiculous. 

 

Its so frustrating watching debates on this matter when even the guy who's sort of for it can't put his argument across properly. Stan Collymore was the only person I have seen to actually argue the case properly. 

[Harry - LCFC]

Relates to what a number of people said earlier about 'choosing your spot' with care.

 

@MalcolmJClarke Common sense from stoke city tckt office on club website suggesting those who want to sit at Norwich buying seats towards front.

 

Surprised that a club are actively encouraging supporters to do it but it's nice to see, helpful for everyone.

[Dan LCFC]

Said for a while clubs ought to do that. Complete common sense.

[Corky]

There should be more unreserved seating. I know about identifying trouble makers blah blah but you'd have fewer arguments, people who want to sit can do so comfortably towards the front and stand nearer the back.

[purpleronnie]

Frustrating to read that they will only be used for the rugby but baby steps and all that.

[Harry - LCFC]

Watched the video. My favourite Safe-Standing-misconception-phrase 'go back' used again.

 

Might start a tally count of how many people use it! 

[indierich06]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26141427

 

If you watch the video Lawro actually has a sensible view considering his close affiliation with Liverpool.

 

 

Disappointing comments from Dion Dublin though, who says he fears there will be another Hillsborough - clearly hasn't bothered to do any research on the subject whatsoever.

[Corky]

Disappointing comments from Dion Dublin though, who says he fears there will be another Hillsborough - clearly hasn't bothered to do any research on the subject whatsoever.

 

Standard for several ex-players who become pundits, don't really do research and stumble along with the safe, cliched answer.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

I think that people seem to be a bit naive/dim regarding the Hillsborough Disaster, they do not really understand what happened fully and are too emotionally charged.

 

Effectively there were 2 massive problems with some old standing enclosures. At Hillsborough unfortunately the first was that the Police cocked up and funnelled far too many fans into one 'pen' or 'cage' with no way of escaping.

 

If you take away the 'cages' 'pens' etc with locking gates, standing is safe in any form because in a worse case scenario people can get out on to the pitch.

 

The issue is pens and cages. If you put a cage around a seating enclosure and put 1000 extra people into it; there would be a serious incident and probably some deaths, it doesn't take a rocket scientist!

Edited 12 February 2014 by Foxin_mad

[Harry - LCFC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Think it's only for Rugby though (EDIT: or trials - who knows! I'm just pleased to see it!))

Edited 12 February 2014 by Harry - LCFC

[Foxes_Trust]

Relates to what a number of people said earlier about 'choosing your spot' with care.

 

@MalcolmJClarke Common sense from stoke city tckt office on club website suggesting those who want to sit at Norwich buying seats towards front.

 

Surprised that a club are actively encouraging supporters to do it but it's nice to see, helpful for everyone.

 

This happens at a number of clubs, they just don't put in writing that it's done, because the local Safety Advisory Group could then use it as a reason to reduce capacity in the section.

 

Some clubs also operate a "sit where you like"  policy when you arrive at grounds, to allow those that went to sit & those stand to locate themselves in separate groups.

 

The main problems come when fans have to sit in their allocated seat & "standers" are in front of those wanting to sit.

 

However, based on the current Sate Standing thinking these issues will not be addressed, as clubs are only talking about putting standing sections in the home part of the ground

Edited 12 February 2014 by Foxes_Trust

[Kitchandro]

Saw Aspinall on SSN the other day. Immediately switched channels. SSN hitting a new low.

[Dan LCFC]

I can't even stress how wrong it is the level of power she has in this. Seeing as she's proven it was nothing to do with standing, she should have no more say than me or you.

[AndWhat?]

(Think it's only for Rugby though (EDIT: or trials - who knows! I'm just pleased to see it!))

Thought it would be a long long time before that happened.

Think I will genuinely shed a tear the day Leicester get it done.

[jammie82uk]

Seen 8 premier league teams have supported rail seating with villa prepared to trial it

[Dan LCFC]

I still don't feel like it's a genuine possibility for Leicester yet. It's the Premier League we've got to win over because they've sounded about as dis-interested as you can possibly get, and whilst the majority of the Championship have aspirations of being there, they aren't going to put it in.

 

Surreal to think a ground I've been to now has it installed though. It's English footballs first step on the ladder - albeit a very small one.

[Strokes]

I still don't feel like it's a genuine possibility for Leicester yet. It's the Premier League we've got to win over because they've sounded about as dis-interested as you can possibly get, and whilst the majority of the Championship have aspirations of being there, they aren't going to put it in.

Surreal to think a ground I've been to now has it installed though. It's English footballs first step on the ladder - albeit a very small one.

You just know the first bit of bother in that area and the press will be on it, like a dog on a dropped sausage.

[Dan LCFC]

You just know the first bit of bother in that area and the press will be on it, like a dog on a dropped sausage.

 

Correct but as a nation of headline readers that's bound to have the negative effect.

[MattGamble92]

Dion Dublin comes across as a clueless **** in that video.

Pundits will never understand the atmosphere side of the debate. I hate how people say we are chasing a good atmosphere at the risk of another Hillsborough. That simply isnt the case at all. It's a system that has worked for a long time now in Germany. Supporting your team at home is absolute shit for fans these days. Especially if you are in a relitively new stadium like ours where fans have been unable to really establish standing sections where its acceptable for a big area to stand up. This just leads to away teams constantly out singing the home support at virtually every game around the leagues. 

Another point to make is grounds still have old fashioned terraces like Peterborough last season (where it is no exaggeration to say we could have had our own disaster that day). Is anyone really saying this solution is worse than leaving grounds with those sort of areas?

Edited 13 February 2014 by MattGamble92

[The Year Of The Fox]

Jon Darch was a Brizzle fan I believe

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Dion Dublin comes across as a clueless **** in that video.

Pundits will never understand the atmosphere side of the debate. I hate how people say we are chasing a good atmosphere at the risk of another Hillsborough. That simply isnt the case at all. It's a system that has worked for a long time now in Germany. Supporting your team at home is absolute shit for fans these days. Especially if you are in a relitively new stadium like ours where fans have been unable to really establish standing sections where its acceptable for a big area to stand up. This just leads to away teams constantly out singing the home support at virtually every game around the leagues. 

Another point to make is grounds still have old fashioned terraces like Peterborough last season (where it is no exaggeration to say we could have had our own disaster that day). Is anyone really saying this solution is worse than leaving grounds with those sort of areas?

 

Nah, there are no pens or fences, people just crowd over the left hand side too much, but there's no risk of a crush as people will just spill rightwards or forwards.

 

Not that it's a concern any more.

[Dan LCFC]

Dion Dublin comes across as a clueless **** in that video.

Pundits will never understand the atmosphere side of the debate. I hate how people say we are chasing a good atmosphere at the risk of another Hillsborough. That simply isnt the case at all. It's a system that has worked for a long time now in Germany. Supporting your team at home is absolute shit for fans these days. Especially if you are in a relitively new stadium like ours where fans have been unable to really establish standing sections where its acceptable for a big area to stand up. This just leads to away teams constantly out singing the home support at virtually every game around the leagues. 

Another point to make is grounds still have old fashioned terraces like Peterborough last season (where it is no exaggeration to say we could have had our own disaster that day). Is anyone really saying this solution is worse than leaving grounds with those sort of areas?

 

Dublin was ridiculous in the whole thing. It really was the most blatantly forced 'argument' I've seen to the extent there was barely an argument. He was just chucking out statements that didn't fit together.

 

In other words, someone who really shouldn't be publicly commenting on the matter but what does having the knowledge matter eh?