Missing Plane

[foxoffderby]

Not buying attempted hijacking, unless it was a lone nutter. Given how much more secure cockpit doors and procedures have become since 9/11, it seems to be much easier for terrorist groups just to put a bomb on board rather than a human who might screw up or not be successful. There's previous with such things, after all. 

 

And if it was a lone nutter, they did damned well to get into the cockpit and mess things up enough to cause a crash without being jumped by everyone else or a mayday signal being given.

 

Of course this is all just speculation right now, 

 

It is possible. The plane was said to be moving randomly before it went off the radar.

[leicsmac]

Would a missile be out of the question?

 

Possible, though it would have to have been a glancing impact given the plane didn't just drop. And as in the case of MH17 you need serious, serious hardware to get a missile up to 37000  feet for a successful strike. Like, ground-launched anchored hardware. A shoulder-launched Stinger isn't going to cut it.

 

It is possible. The plane was said to be moving randomly before it went off the radar.

 

Possible, but not likely, I don't think. There are a few other reasons for erratic movement more likely.

 

In any case, like I said this is all purely speculative.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

There are just a few things that make me think a missile might be the cause - including what appeared to me to be a knowing relisation from the French statements that the plane had been lost without much concrete in the public domain at that time.

[Fox92]

It is possible. The plane was said to be moving randomly before it went off the radar.

 

Reports say it took a 90 degree turn left then a 360 degree turn right.

[Rincewind]

So ended going in the opposite direction? 90 degrees left.

[maynefox]

I doubt it would be a missile. As someone has pointed out, one would need a sophisticated level of SAM weaponry that could reach an altitude of 72,000ft. Man-to-air missile (such as Stinger) do not have the capability to bring down a passenger jet at 37,000ft. If it was a missile it must have been on a military warship. No country is stupid enough to intentionally shoot down a passenger jet.

 

"making sharp turns" - suggests that there was an instant impact IMO. At 37,000ft even a small "explosion" would rip the fuselage almost instantaneously and the plane would spin wildly out of control. A bomb or a mechanical fault causing a small ignition can plummet a plane in an instant. 

 

- of course the cockpit might be at fault. Either from an intruder or in the case of Germanwings from one of the pilots itself.

 

It could be a terrorism related incident to that of MetroJet over the Sinai. Charles de Gaulle airport over the past year has withdrawn 70 security passes over concerns of "radicalisation". Would be very easy to smuggle a small bomb.

 

I'm surprised they haven't found no significant wreckage yet. Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer to find out why.

[Parafox]

I doubt it would be a missile. As someone has pointed out, one would need a sophisticated level of SAM weaponry that could reach an altitude of 72,000ft. Man-to-air missile (such as Stinger) do not have the capability to bring down a passenger jet at 37,000ft. If it was a missile it must have been on a military warship. No country is stupid enough to intentionally shoot down a passenger jet.

 

 

 

 

Russia... over Ukraine?

 

"Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 crashed after being hit by a Russian-made Buk missile over eastern Ukraine, a 15-month investigation by the Dutch Safety Board has confirmed"

 

Source: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28357880

[DJ Barry Hammond]

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Edited 20 May 2016 by DJ Barry Hammond

[maynefox]

Russia... over Ukraine?

 

"Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 crashed after being hit by a Russian-made Buk missile over eastern Ukraine, a 15-month investigation by the Dutch Safety Board has confirmed"

 

Source: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28357880

 

the word is "intentionally".

 

That is unless you feel Russian-backed separatists, or even Russian soldiers, deliberately shot MH17 down. (let's not go onto the conspiracy path).

 

Conversations before and after the shooting down seem clear there was an obvious mistake in shooting down the wrong "bird". The shooting down of two Ukrainian fighter jets the day before and an Antonov military transporter on the 14th indicate a clear escalation of the air-war with a "shoot-on-sight" policy air-defence systems had in the days and weeks before MH17. The fact that the Russian government has lied for nearly two years now makes it clear their little expedition in the Donbass ****ed up. I point to Flight KAL007 & 902 as examples of Russian cover-ups of downing airlines due to misidentification. (nothing changes ey).

[Wymsey]

Some Egyptian official said plane didn't swerve erratically.

Surprised plane not been found despite finding parts of it and Egypt deploying underwater vessels.

But sure they will find it soon and not follow MH370.

[MPH]

Reports say it took a 90 degree turn left then a 360 degree turn right.

 

 

Some Egyptian official said plane didn't swerve erratically.

Surprised plane not been found despite finding parts of it and Egypt deploying underwater vessels.

But sure they will find it soon and not follow MH370.

 

 

it's an interesting development to say the least.

 

 

 

To me its looking likely that it was a boimb Although its also likely that the bomb didnt explode properly. A bit like the shoe bomber i think it was... he tried to ignite the bomb but it never exploded and just filled the  place with smoke.... I'm wondering if the bomb on this plane didnt full on explode and instead just caught things on fire ( hence the readings of smoke before the plane dissapeared)

[m4DD0gg]

Why am I not surprised it left Paris.

[Fox92]

Black box confirms smoke in cabin.

 

Cockpit recorder still being repaired. Should be interesting to see if anything comes from that.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36668910

[Fox92]

Very interesting news today... Pilot's flight simulator plotted course over ocean where plane went missing.

 

Here is the Guardian's article on the news

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/28/mh370-pilot-flight-simulator-plot-course-southern-indian-ocean

[Darkon84]

Very strange how it's taken them what, 2 years to find this out. Surely his personal flight simulator would be one of the first things to check for evidence?

[OzFox]

On 7/28/2016 at 22:29, Darkon84 said:

Very strange how it's taken them what, 2 years to find this out. Surely his personal flight simulator would be one of the first things to check for evidence?

It was one of the first things they checked, in the days after the plane disappeared. This is old news, and was widely reported two years ago.

 

The only difference is it's been confirmed by a document given to the New York magazine.

[VLC86]

51 minutes ago, OzFox said:

It was one of the first things they checked, in the days after the plane disappeared. This is old news, and was widely reported two years ago.

 

The only difference is it's been confirmed by a document given to the New York magazine.

Yup can remember reading that he was practicing landing at a disused airfield in Maldives when initially people on nearby islands reported seeing a plane land nearby.

[OzFox]

15 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Yup can remember reading that he was practicing landing at a disused airfield in Maldives when initially people on nearby islands reported seeing a plane land nearby.

The simulator supposedly contained many different routes but only one that headed south over the Indian Ocean. Either it indicates some sinister planning, or he got bored flying the same routes on his simulator and entered one that would land in Antarctica.

 

Until they find the plane, or the Malaysians cough up some new info, nobody will know for sure

[Collymore]

If it was a part of some kind of "big plan" where he didn't want to be found surely he would have deleted the flight sim history. If it was an episode of Columbo it'd be over in 5 mins.

[OzFox]

2 hours ago, Collymore said:

If it was a part of some kind of "big plan" where he didn't want to be found surely he would have deleted the flight sim history. If it was an episode of Columbo it'd be over in 5 mins.

He did delete it. The cops retrieved the data off the hard drive

 

But yeah...if he was hiding something he certainly wasn't covering his tracks too carefully

[Wymsey]

So flight MH370 still hasn't been found..

The search is still on, after 4 years since its disappearance, but surely it won't continue that much longer?

[separator]

Thought it had been found after seeing this thread resurrected after 2 years

[Sly]

I wonder how much has been spent trying to find it.

 

I’m sure it’ll be settled on the seabed somewhere.

[NorthfieldsFox]

All those poor families 

[Collymore]

Thought it had washed up on an island somewhere? -  or at least parts of it,.